Episode 269: Jaclyn London

By Lori Taylor

Aug 09, 2023

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In our quest for optimal health and well-being, the term “superfoods” has gained immense popularity. These nutrient-packed foods are believed to offer extraordinary health benefits, making them an integral part of many wellness routines. But what exactly are superfoods, and how can they enhance our overall health? Join us as we embark on a journey to explore the world of superfoods with the expert guidance of renowned registered dietitian Jaclyn London.

Transcript

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[Lori Taylor]: Hello everybody and welcome back.

This is the Produce Moms podcast. And you know

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[Lori Taylor]: what they say, it’s not work

when you are among friends. Do they say that?

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[Lori Taylor]: I don’t know if they say that,

but that is certainly how I feel right now.

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[Lori Taylor]: I just made that line up. But

we’re welcoming back a woman. There’s not a

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[Lori Taylor]: whole lot of people who have

open invites to my life and my business. This

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[Lori Taylor]: woman does. Anytime she wants

to be on the Produce Moms podcast, she’s got

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[Lori Taylor]: an open invite. And anytime I

find myself A nutrition topic where I just

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[Lori Taylor]: need a little bit of a renegade

discussion and description of what this means.

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[Lori Taylor]: No BS, no governing body or executive

board filtering what comes out of her mouth.

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[Lori Taylor]: Folks, this is the woman I call.

So Jackie London, she’s a registered dietitian.

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[Lori Taylor]: She is the author of Dressing

on the Side and Other Diet Myths Debunked.

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[Lori Taylor]: It is… literally a dust side

reference for me here at the produce moms.

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[Lori Taylor]: I call this book the strunk and

white of nutrition. Okay. So anyway, Jackie’s

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[Lori Taylor]: got a storied career. You can

engage with her at Jacqueline London RD. Her

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[Lori Taylor]: podcast is the business of wellness

and today she is our guest. So Jackie, welcome

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[Lori Taylor]: back to the produce moms podcast.

We’re going to talk about superfoods.

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[jackie]: Laurie, I’m so excited. I’m

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[Lori Taylor]: Ha

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[jackie]: like

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[Lori Taylor]: ha ha!

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[jackie]: chomping at the bit over here. I could

not be more thrilled to be here. I love this

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[jackie]: intro. I really need, it should be

my own. I should be co-opting this for the

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[jackie]: business of wellness, but I can’t

because

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[Lori Taylor]: We

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[jackie]: it’s

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[Lori Taylor]: recorded

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[jackie]: yours.

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[Lori Taylor]: it,

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[jackie]: I mean,

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[Lori Taylor]: we

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[jackie]: it’s

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[Lori Taylor]: recorded

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[jackie]: fabulous.

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[Lori Taylor]: it, and I will get you the clip.

Your

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[jackie]: I

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[Lori Taylor]: new

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[jackie]: just like,

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[Lori Taylor]: Sizzler

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[jackie]: whenever

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[Lori Taylor]: reel.

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[jackie]: I have a low moment, I just need to

listen to it. That’s it. It is a privilege

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[jackie]: to be here. I’m truly honored. So

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah,

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[jackie]: thank

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[Lori Taylor]: well

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[jackie]: you.

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[Lori Taylor]: thank you. I’m so glad you’re

here, because you know, first of all, enjoy

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[Lori Taylor]: your show. You’ve been doing

a lot. And if anyone else is confused with

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[Lori Taylor]: me about what the World Health

Organization’s claims are with the new Diet

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[Lori Taylor]: Coke and all that, that’s just

happened, it’s like, anyone who drinks Diet

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[Lori Taylor]: Coke, you know what I’m talking

about. Or maybe they don’t, Jackie. Maybe they

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[Lori Taylor]: don’t

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[jackie]: I’m

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[Lori Taylor]: know what

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[jackie]: worried.

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[Lori Taylor]: I’m talking about, but.

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[jackie]: I said, better they don’t and they

just go on living their lives, drinking a diet

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[jackie]: coke or two every day. Happy,

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[Lori Taylor]: There you go.

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[jackie]: happy to hear it.

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[Lori Taylor]: Okay,

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[jackie]: I’d be happy

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[Lori Taylor]: well.

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[jackie]: to hear it.

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[Lori Taylor]: I recently have been thoroughly

entertained on Jackie’s podcast, the business

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[Lori Taylor]: of wellness, listening to her

have that renegade style response to everything

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[Lori Taylor]: that’s happening with aspartame

and whatnot. So today we’re not talking about

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[Lori Taylor]: that. We’re talking about, you

know, you’re on the produce mom’s podcast.

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[Lori Taylor]: We’re talking fruits and vegetables.

And right now, Jackie, our theme here on the

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[Lori Taylor]: podcast is superfoods. And when

I kicked this theme off, shame on me. I did

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[Lori Taylor]: not. I did not open up my strunken

white of nutrition. on the side by Jackie London.

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[Lori Taylor]: But in my introductory remarks

to this little mini series or theme, I said,

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[Lori Taylor]: superfoods, this is a food marketer

term in a way, like is it defined? I don’t

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[Lori Taylor]: know if it is. And as, yeah,

I’m watching you shake your head, but like

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[Lori Taylor]: I just feel like I need to turn

the mic over to you because we can’t be talking

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[Lori Taylor]: superfood, superfood and singing

the praises without actually getting that scientific

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[Lori Taylor]: voice, which you have. I mean,

you have all the initials after your last name.

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[Lori Taylor]: This is what you’ve studied.

You are a registered dietitian. You’re one

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[Lori Taylor]: of the leading voices for dietitians

in America and beyond. So help me break through

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[Lori Taylor]: and really kind of, I guess,

qualify that disclaimer I shared during the

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[Lori Taylor]: introductory episode of like,

yeah, I’m a food marketer. I know that, you

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[Lori Taylor]: know, like we overuse this term.

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[jackie]: I mean it’s such a great question.

It’s such a great topic because you know I’m

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[jackie]: thinking and I’m looking back to some

of my notes from Dressing on the Side also

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[jackie]: which is crazy to think that this

book came out in 2019 and when it came out

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[jackie]: I I had written a lot about the topic

and what I called in the book, the super fraud

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[jackie]: of super foods, right? Because this

is of course a true marketing term, which we

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[jackie]: can all understand. I actually, the

crazy, the reason why I mentioned the date

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[jackie]: Lori is because I think I’m thinking

now about how many cultural touch points we

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[jackie]: have of, um, of the word super. Like

we’re using the word super with increased frequency.

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[jackie]: It’s almost like super fraud. That’s

like a canary. And I mean, super food was like

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[jackie]: a canary in the coal mine

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[Lori Taylor]: Right, right.

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[jackie]: of using words that have this prefix

of super the thing and the real issue that

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[jackie]: I have with it is one that it’s an

undefined term right so

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah,

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[jackie]: there’s just

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[Lori Taylor]: it’s

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[jackie]: that

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[jackie]: first and foremost

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[jackie]: undefined

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[Lori Taylor]: It’s kind of

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[jackie]: the

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[Lori Taylor]: like locally grown. I’m gonna

throw that in there into the mix

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[jackie]: Exactly.

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[Lori Taylor]: too. It’s like define local,

right? Yeah,

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[jackie]: It’s

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[jackie]: such a great point.

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[Lori Taylor]: yeah.

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[jackie]: The other really interesting thing,

so while it’s undefined by the FDA, by the

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[jackie]: FTC for food marketing purposes, the

dictionary actually has a definition of it.

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[Lori Taylor]: Ooh.

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[jackie]: And it makes me feel a little bit

like I’m left head scratching. I will read

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[jackie]: it to you. A food such as salmon,

broccoli, or blueberries that’s rich in compounds

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[jackie]: such as antioxidants, fiber, or fatty

acids considered beneficial to a person’s health.

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[jackie]: I mean, okay. So like that’s a solid

definition, solid definition, right? And it’s

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[jackie]: true that those foods, those examples

given by the dictionary are pretty good examples,

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[jackie]: right? The gripe that I have with

calling any food in isolation super is that

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[jackie]: no one is achieving any type of miracle

health benefit from having a serving of broccoli

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[jackie]: in a dietary pattern that’s otherwise

riddled with I mean, foods are only gonna be

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[jackie]: as super for you as the context

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

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[jackie]: and the consistency with which you’re

adding them in to your everyday meals and snacks.

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[Lori Taylor]: truth.

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[jackie]: So health benefits can be subjective,

they can be overblown when taken out of context,

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[jackie]: because like on the other, on the

flip side of this, if you’re just having salmon,

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[jackie]: blueberries, and broccoli at every

meal, there can be risks associated with that

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[jackie]: too, right? So like if the dose makes

the poison in anything, then surely… have

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[jackie]: to be mindful of considering that

when we talk about the topic of superfoods.

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[jackie]: So yeah, I like the concept. Is it

going to be foods with additional fiber, like

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[jackie]: real wholesome foods with additional

fiber that are naturally filled with fiber

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[jackie]: that are naturally filled with antioxidants

and essential fatty acids? That seems pretty

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[jackie]: much benign enough. If we, if you

see it on food labels, if you’re looking, you’re

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[jackie]: shopping at the grocery store and

you’re seeing it different places, but it’s

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[jackie]: not so satisfying from as a dietician,

from my perspective, because I don’t think

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[jackie]: it gives the full picture of what

that actually means for you. And you know,

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[jackie]: Lori, like I’m always landing on the

side of what does this mean to the everyday

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[Lori Taylor]: Right.

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[jackie]: it’s not very clear and apparent and

really meaningful to you, and if it feels like

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[jackie]: it’s just gonna be kind of fraudulent

to the everyday consumer, then that’s where

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[jackie]: like my kind of heckles go up.

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[Lori Taylor]: Right, right. Well, okay, so

thank you. Fantastic renegade discourse there,

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[jackie]: I’m

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[Lori Taylor]: which

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[Lori Taylor]: what

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[jackie]: bed.

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[jackie]: But I’m here for it.

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[Lori Taylor]: in addition to that, let’s help

qualify now your expertise because Jackie isn’t

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[Lori Taylor]: just my friend who wrote a book

who went to school studying nutrition and has

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[Lori Taylor]: her RD. Let’s talk about your

background in research, clinical practice.

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[Lori Taylor]: what you’ve done in the media,

et cetera, if you don’t mind, just to help,

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[Lori Taylor]: you know, for anyone who hasn’t

tuned in to one of your previous episodes.

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[jackie]: Yeah. So I got my start in clinical

nutrition. I worked, I’m talking to you live

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[jackie]: from New York City. Where I was born

and raised.

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[Lori Taylor]: We

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[jackie]: So

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[Lori Taylor]: should be up, I’ll do cheese

right now.

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[jackie]: I wish that we were.

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[Lori Taylor]: I know.

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[jackie]: gosh,

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[Lori Taylor]: ha.

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[jackie]: Lori, how glorious would that be?

Oh, what a wonderful place. Meanwhile, that

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[jackie]: Valdez is a Panera now. Not to take

us too off

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[Lori Taylor]: Oh

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[jackie]: topic,

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[Lori Taylor]: shoot,

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[jackie]: but it’s a sad story.

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[Lori Taylor]: okay.

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[Lori Taylor]: Oh.

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[jackie]: But anyway, I got my start in nutrition

working as a clinician in stroke and brain

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[jackie]: injury rehab at a hospital here in

New York City. I was there for a number of

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[jackie]: years and also worked at the same

time at night. I would work in private practice

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athletes. Um, and with other individuals who

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solutions and strategies, um, and it was really

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[jackie]: eyeopening. I mean, that’s really

what got my start into everything. And I really

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[jackie]: wanted to do what I was doing at,

at a larger scale in whatever capacity was

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[jackie]: possible for me. And that was when

I heard about this job at good housekeeping,

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[jackie]: which was amazing and really fortuitous.

So I wound up as the nutrition director for

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[jackie]: good housekeeping for a number of

years as well, which was wonderful. I started

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[jackie]: a program there that is a licensing,

um, an incubator program for different food

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[jackie]: companies. So essentially like a consultancy

within Hearst tower, um, that was a, it’s still

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[jackie]: going, the program’s still quite successful

as far as I can see from the

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

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[jackie]: outside, but, um, I left there in

2019 to take the role of head of nutrition

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[jackie]: and wellness at Weight Watchers and

was there for two years. And that was its own

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[jackie]: fascinating. experience. But my whole

goal throughout my career has really been research

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[jackie]: based, like evidence based, but for

real people and real life. And

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[jackie]: using that background and experience

to apply to what are the solutions, what are

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to me on a regular basis, on a consistent basis.

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with what are people talking about? What are

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[jackie]: the concerns that are coming up? Whether

it was at good housekeeping, in the hospital,

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[jackie]: working in private practice at every

phase of my career. And what has been amazing

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[jackie]: to me is that so many of the things

that trip people up when it comes to building

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[jackie]: healthier habits or making more nutritious

food choices are so much of like the noise

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to finding food that is right for you, your

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budget or otherwise, and finding nutritious

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in ways that are truly tasty, delicious, and

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[jackie]: exactly

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[Lori Taylor]: It’s not nutrition

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[jackie]: Lori could not have said that better.

That’s exactly

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[jackie]: it. It’s not nutrition until it’s

eaten. And I think maybe that’s probably why

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is really there is because a superfood is only

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it? The context and consistency in which you’re

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah, well, thank you. Because

your background helps set the tone of your

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the voice that I trust and go to when I need

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that we’re doing at the Produce Moms. Jackie

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lot. And I know that if we ever need to qualify

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our trusted resource for that. So now, so let’s

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that there are, in fact, Jackie, I mean, true

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nutritional properties than other foods. That’s

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[jackie]: And I think our refusal to acknowledge

that. So like, I hope that listeners will,

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because I don’t want to sound like I’m talking

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I almost do want to sound like that.

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[jackie]: Right. You kind of have to. It’s like

the nuance of it all. Right? On one hand, I,

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[jackie]: I again, foods can only be as nutritious

for you as the context and the consistency

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right? But on the other side, we have to acknowledge

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nutritious than others. And I see a lot of

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food is created equal. And the truth is like,

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doesn’t mean that all food is as nutritious

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[jackie]: veggies and fruit, I mean, produce,

I would call all produce the superest of superfoods.

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[jackie]: I made up a new word, the superest.

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[Lori Taylor]: and we’ve done that through the

consulting work that I did and my business

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[Lori Taylor]: did with Kroger for the Opt-Up

technology that they introduced to help their

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One of the key phrases that was really the

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their strategy was all fruits and vegetables

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they use

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[Lori Taylor]: the stoplight

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what’s the most nutritious stuff store and

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go, accelerate. These are the foods you want

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even use the tagline like within the produce

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you know, when we were using the lens of opt

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food in the post part. The post department

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for you foods. I

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Um,

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[Lori Taylor]: though, Jackie, even as someone

and I’ve marketed and I’ve been trusted with

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strategies by all most of the vendors in the

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fruit and vegetable and produce you have different

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[Lori Taylor]: echelons like there are certain

produce items that offer you nutrition and

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that others don’t like when you think about

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[Lori Taylor]: the nutrition panel of a kiwi

fruit for instance bite for bite what you’re

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compared to many of the other fruit options

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[Lori Taylor]: that are in the produce department.

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[jackie]: Yes. Yeah. You know, that’s such a

good point. I, well, but I, but what I think,

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of introducing the word superfood into all

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[jackie]: of this is that that’s exactly it.

Lori, like these, these different types of

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benefits to the table. So I have been asked

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just gave me a little flashback to this article

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updated.

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[jackie]: for good housekeeping and it was about

like the healthiest fruit and veg. And I basically

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the headline because that’s, that’s the type

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introduction was basically like, there’s really

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versatility and how often you’re going to eat

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makes the difference in all of this because

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[jackie]: You’re so right. Like I was once shocked

to learn that kiwi, and this is again back

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kiwi is the perfect example because it’s one

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[jackie]: of these fruits that has double the

vitamin C of an orange, I want to say.

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nutritious, nutrient dense fruits that you

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someone that hates kiwi?

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the business of getting people to expand their

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expand their palates when it comes

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eat something that they don’t like or have

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want to try something different or something

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important, especially in the

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[jackie]: because We want to incentivize people

to just have more and just try different things

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going to get different nutrients from different

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[Lori Taylor]: Well…

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of trying something new.

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who is also an RD, Alison Shake, formerly of

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who helped me realize nutrition is so personalized.

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nutritious for even another member in your

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as it relates to our nutrition. So those, you

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we’re just kind of calling out things that.

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to have a, if I’m going to have a mini series

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to poke holes in this theme

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[Lori Taylor]: and identify like what, and you

know, we’re on the heels Jackie of a food is

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about

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that is cross-op com on many different sectors

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[Lori Taylor]: where, you know, we, we now have

a huge mobilization of things like produce

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meals, et cetera.

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[Lori Taylor]: And so you know following that

here on the podcast is really meant to help

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the concept of food as medicine what are foods

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[Lori Taylor]: that can provide some of those

you know healing properties

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[Lori Taylor]: but you know your role in this

series is to help me poke holes at it and call

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BS and help people understand like hey there’s

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you, and it’s not

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[Lori Taylor]: until it’s eaten. And then when

you consult your book and you look at that

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[Lori Taylor]: super fraud of super foods, file

this under quote, meaningless terms that are

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[jackie]: Hmm. Yeah. I mean, here’s the thing.

I will say that like, if we were to kind of

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and, and I used, you know, in no small part,

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I found it helpful, right? It’s to kind of

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categories that actually make sense from the

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food and nutrition, because we can’t avoid

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want people to be educated about that and we

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00:18:04,879 –> 00:18:09,360

[jackie]: want transparency. I mean that’s my

main goal with anything. So if we had to kind

424

00:18:09,380 –> 00:18:13,062

[jackie]: of redefine this I would give it three

main bucket categories.

425

00:18:12,814 –> 00:18:13,003

[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

426

00:18:13,802 –> 00:18:20,245

[jackie]: The first one would be plant foods

in their whole food form. So any foods that

427

00:18:20,285 –> 00:18:25,112

[jackie]: we can chew can be super. in some

way, right? It might be super emotionally comforting.

428

00:18:25,152 –> 00:18:30,196

[jackie]: It might be super from a nutritional

standpoint, but in particular, what I’m defining

429

00:18:30,216 –> 00:18:34,620

[jackie]: in this category is any vegetable

or fruit, any legume pulse crop, like chickpea,

430

00:18:34,660 –> 00:18:40,304

[jackie]: lentil, beans, peas, nuts and seeds,

a hundred percent whole grains, plant, like

431

00:18:40,664 –> 00:18:47,009

[jackie]: not vegetable seed or legume based

oils or any mix of those when used for actual.

432

00:18:47,150 –> 00:18:51,692

[jackie]: cooking purposes, right? Anything

that’s in its whole food state that’s used

433

00:18:51,712 –> 00:18:56,535

[jackie]: to either enhance flavor, make it

easier to cook that food so that you can have

434

00:18:56,575 –> 00:19:01,598

[jackie]: it in a different form or that food

itself and it’s raw form. So plants in just

435

00:19:01,638 –> 00:19:07,161

[jackie]: their whole food form provide optimal

nutrient composition for both short-term and

436

00:19:07,201 –> 00:19:12,143

[jackie]: long-term health and for weight management.

And the more that you have these foods in your

437

00:19:12,384 –> 00:19:19,325

[jackie]: everyday eating pattern, the more

super foodie. the more superfood filled your

438

00:19:19,585 –> 00:19:22,208

[jackie]: overall dietary pattern will be.

439

00:19:21,412 –> 00:19:21,685

[Lori Taylor]: Right.

440

00:19:22,268 –> 00:19:26,612

[jackie]: Now that being said, there’s two others.

The other one I would put into this category

441

00:19:26,632 –> 00:19:31,317

[jackie]: is plant-based ingredients with which

you cook or caffeinate. So spices, herbs, these

442

00:19:31,337 –> 00:19:36,442

[jackie]: can also have a ton of super quote-unquote

properties. Across the research though, we

443

00:19:36,482 –> 00:19:40,405

[jackie]: find that a lot of the promising studies

are the ones that look at an association, right?

444

00:19:40,445 –> 00:19:44,008

[jackie]: Like population studies, meaning that

their benefits are also better illustrated

445

00:19:44,368 –> 00:19:46,810

[jackie]: in the context of dietary patterns.

446

00:19:47,037 –> 00:19:47,377

[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

447

00:19:47,851 –> 00:19:48,011

[jackie]: like

448

00:19:47,998 –> 00:19:48,158

[Lori Taylor]: Help

449

00:19:48,171 –> 00:19:48,291

[jackie]: I

450

00:19:48,199 –> 00:19:49,501

[Lori Taylor]: me understand.

451

00:19:48,351 –> 00:19:49,132

[jackie]: use the example.

452

00:19:50,302 –> 00:19:51,103

[Lori Taylor]: That’s interesting.

453

00:19:50,693 –> 00:19:54,656

[jackie]: Yeah. A great example of this is something

like turmeric, right? Like turmeric

454

00:19:54,377 –> 00:19:54,598

[Lori Taylor]: Oh,

455

00:19:54,676 –> 00:19:54,877

[jackie]: gets

456

00:19:54,678 –> 00:19:54,959

[Lori Taylor]: yeah.

457

00:19:54,977 –> 00:19:56,838

[jackie]: so much press for being,

458

00:19:56,502 –> 00:19:56,743

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

459

00:19:57,038 –> 00:19:57,779

[jackie]: you know, so wonderful.

460

00:19:57,505 –> 00:19:58,507

[Lori Taylor]: Anti-inflammatory.

461

00:19:58,600 –> 00:19:59,220

[jackie]: Exactly.

462

00:19:58,708 –> 00:19:58,888

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

463

00:19:59,380 –> 00:20:03,339

[jackie]: And anti-inflammatory properties.

If you look at where this has really been studied

464

00:20:03,379 –> 00:20:07,463

[jackie]: and where it’s the most promising,

where the best research and the most well-powered

465

00:20:07,503 –> 00:20:13,828

[jackie]: research has occurred so far. And

that is when you look at populations that consume

466

00:20:13,968 –> 00:20:17,351

[jackie]: greater amounts of turmeric. So in

Indian populations where curry

467

00:20:16,997 –> 00:20:17,218

[Lori Taylor]: Sure.

468

00:20:17,411 –> 00:20:19,513

[jackie]: is like a primary cuisine

469

00:20:19,108 –> 00:20:19,349

[Lori Taylor]: Right.

470

00:20:19,553 –> 00:20:26,299

[jackie]: staple, you’re looking at the overall

context of dietary patterns. Lots of veggies,

471

00:20:26,599 –> 00:20:27,600

[jackie]: plant-based foods,

472

00:20:28,385 –> 00:20:28,668

[Lori Taylor]: Right.

473

00:20:28,681 –> 00:20:29,421

[jackie]: not the type of…

474

00:20:29,678 –> 00:20:29,880

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

475

00:20:29,742 –> 00:20:34,546

[jackie]: plant based that becomes Franken meat,

right? Like real whole food plants that we

476

00:20:34,566 –> 00:20:36,648

[jackie]: were talking about in the part one

of the definition, right?

477

00:20:36,677 –> 00:20:36,928

[Lori Taylor]: Sure.

478

00:20:37,028 –> 00:20:41,352

[jackie]: So as long as you can use these ingredients,

like when I’m talking about plants, herbs,

479

00:20:41,392 –> 00:20:46,117

[jackie]: spices, that become ingredients with

which you cook or caffeinate, what I’m talking

480

00:20:46,137 –> 00:20:52,843

[jackie]: about is ways that you can enhance

flavor or make it simpler for you to add flavor

481

00:20:52,923 –> 00:20:56,800

[jackie]: and to make those meals and snacks

that you really love. and make those ingredients

482

00:20:56,821 –> 00:20:59,368

[jackie]: that you really love into actual meals.

It’s really

483

00:20:59,258 –> 00:20:59,531

[Lori Taylor]: Wow.

484

00:20:59,408 –> 00:21:03,138

[jackie]: about the cooking process there and

less about the ingredients itself. So like

485

00:21:03,029 –> 00:21:03,329

[Lori Taylor]: I never

486

00:21:03,158 –> 00:21:03,399

[jackie]: when I

487

00:21:03,370 –> 00:21:03,670

[Lori Taylor]: thought

488

00:21:03,439 –> 00:21:04,001

[jackie]: see people.

489

00:21:03,911 –> 00:21:06,497

[Lori Taylor]: of the concept of superfoods

from that lens.

490

00:21:06,782 –> 00:21:07,582

[jackie]: Right? I

491

00:21:07,600 –> 00:21:07,800

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

492

00:21:07,602 –> 00:21:10,983

[jackie]: know it’s interesting because it’s

really like that’s one where I see so many

493

00:21:11,003 –> 00:21:14,984

[jackie]: people talking about, oh, what a super

turmeric, such a super food or like ginger,

494

00:21:15,024 –> 00:21:16,144

[jackie]: such a super food. When you

495

00:21:16,083 –> 00:21:16,247

[Lori Taylor]: Right.

496

00:21:16,184 –> 00:21:20,506

[jackie]: think about it, these are, these are

herbs, these are spices that we use to flavor

497

00:21:20,926 –> 00:21:23,167

[jackie]: already nutritious foods. And

498

00:21:23,096 –> 00:21:23,243

[Lori Taylor]: Right.

499

00:21:23,207 –> 00:21:28,248

[jackie]: you think about the overall patterns

and the populations in which these, the consumption

500

00:21:28,328 –> 00:21:32,778

[jackie]: of these ingredients is much higher.

And it makes complete sense. right? Because

501

00:21:32,818 –> 00:21:33,398

[jackie]: the overall

502

00:21:33,155 –> 00:21:33,344

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

503

00:21:33,438 –> 00:21:37,879

[jackie]: pattern is more nutrient dense. You’re

using these as flavor enhancers to consume

504

00:21:37,939 –> 00:21:41,640

[jackie]: foods that are also nutritious. And

then you get this kind of double whammy effect

505

00:21:41,840 –> 00:21:46,502

[jackie]: of wonder of super foodness.

506

00:21:45,049 –> 00:21:45,939

[Lori Taylor]: Sir, sir.

507

00:21:46,582 –> 00:21:50,743

[jackie]: And then my last category would be

plant-based ingredients that service fuel for

508

00:21:50,883 –> 00:21:55,625

[jackie]: animal and particularly marine protein

sources that you eat. So seafood across the

509

00:21:55,645 –> 00:22:00,955

[jackie]: board, I would call that super. But,

and of course there’s, there are some exceptions

510

00:22:01,035 –> 00:22:05,337

[jackie]: always to this rule, but the main

reason is because animals are eating plants,

511

00:22:05,497 –> 00:22:05,917

[jackie]: right? I mean,

512

00:22:05,965 –> 00:22:06,133

[Lori Taylor]: Mm-hmm.

513

00:22:06,157 –> 00:22:11,900

[jackie]: that’s also ultimately what we’re

getting back to is plants. The more plants

514

00:22:12,380 –> 00:22:17,443

[jackie]: that you, or the food that you eat

consumes, the more nutrient dense food becomes.

515

00:22:17,483 –> 00:22:21,625

[jackie]: So while I talk a lot about plants,

I’m by no means, uh, you know, a

516

00:22:21,481 –> 00:22:22,322

[Lori Taylor]: No, not at

517

00:22:22,265 –> 00:22:23,025

[jackie]: galvanizing

518

00:22:22,362 –> 00:22:23,764

[Lori Taylor]: all. You’ve never

519

00:22:23,085 –> 00:22:23,265

[jackie]: for

520

00:22:23,804 –> 00:22:29,752

[Lori Taylor]: been a voice of authority that

promotes an exclusionary diet or… Never.

521

00:22:29,992 –> 00:22:30,713

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah,

522

00:22:30,297 –> 00:22:30,820

[jackie]: Exactly.

523

00:22:30,933 –> 00:22:31,374

[Lori Taylor]: that’s

524

00:22:31,322 –> 00:22:32,226

[jackie]: So really, I’m

525

00:22:32,195 –> 00:22:32,295

[Lori Taylor]: one

526

00:22:32,246 –> 00:22:32,608

[jackie]: talking

527

00:22:32,315 –> 00:22:32,556

[Lori Taylor]: reason

528

00:22:32,648 –> 00:22:32,889

[jackie]: about.

529

00:22:33,096 –> 00:22:34,378

[Lori Taylor]: I’m so inspired by you.

530

00:22:35,042 –> 00:22:35,982

[jackie]: Thank you, Lori. I mean,

531

00:22:35,860 –> 00:22:36,080

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

532

00:22:36,142 –> 00:22:39,684

[jackie]: yeah, no, that’s the whole point is

to make it more about inclusion. What can you

533

00:22:39,724 –> 00:22:43,086

[jackie]: include more of? So if you’re, you

know, and I would say that the best way to

534

00:22:43,126 –> 00:22:46,008

[jackie]: think about that, if you’re listening

to this now and a little confused by that third

535

00:22:46,048 –> 00:22:49,910

[jackie]: point is what are your, what does,

what does the food that you like to consume?

536

00:22:50,030 –> 00:22:54,212

[jackie]: If it’s beef, if it’s seafood, if

it’s chicken, if it’s poultry, just make sure,

537

00:22:54,492 –> 00:22:58,134

[jackie]: make those conscious choices that

you’re looking for things that, that you would

538

00:22:58,174 –> 00:23:03,157

[jackie]: like to see in growing practices and

agricultural practices. Because ultimately

539

00:23:03,537 –> 00:23:07,040

[jackie]: that that matters when you’re looking

for an overall health promoting pattern of

540

00:23:07,060 –> 00:23:09,265

[jackie]: eating as well. Now, I wouldn’t say

that to the

541

00:23:09,221 –> 00:23:09,381

[Lori Taylor]: I’m

542

00:23:09,305 –> 00:23:10,928

[jackie]: exclusion.

543

00:23:09,401 –> 00:23:10,981

[Lori Taylor]: so glad you said this. You know

544

00:23:10,989 –> 00:23:11,289

[jackie]: Yeah.

545

00:23:11,021 –> 00:23:15,682

[Lori Taylor]: why? Because in our introductory,

like not the intro episode where I like, hey,

546

00:23:15,702 –> 00:23:16,783

[Lori Taylor]: we got a new theme, but our very

547

00:23:16,684 –> 00:23:16,894

[jackie]: Right.

548

00:23:16,803 –> 00:23:24,245

[Lori Taylor]: first guest episode was Baobab

fruit. I don’t know if you’re familiar with

549

00:23:24,305 –> 00:23:24,425

[Lori Taylor]: it.

550

00:23:24,869 –> 00:23:26,091

[jackie]: Oh yes, Baobab?

551

00:23:26,285 –> 00:23:27,646

[Lori Taylor]: Baobab, I need to

552

00:23:27,593 –> 00:23:27,653

[jackie]: I

553

00:23:27,666 –> 00:23:27,766

[Lori Taylor]: go

554

00:23:27,693 –> 00:23:27,853

[jackie]: don’t

555

00:23:27,806 –> 00:23:28,066

[Lori Taylor]: back

556

00:23:27,893 –> 00:23:28,094

[jackie]: know.

557

00:23:28,106 –> 00:23:29,226

[Lori Taylor]: to my notes and

558

00:23:29,936 –> 00:23:30,357

[jackie]: Yes,

559

00:23:30,066 –> 00:23:30,867

[Lori Taylor]: look up the phonetic

560

00:23:30,577 –> 00:23:30,918

[jackie]: someone

561

00:23:30,907 –> 00:23:31,247

[Lori Taylor]: spelling.

562

00:23:30,958 –> 00:23:32,800

[jackie]: correct us.

563

00:23:32,287 –> 00:23:33,907

[Lori Taylor]: The Western Africa fruit that

564

00:23:34,082 –> 00:23:34,463

[jackie]: Yes.

565

00:23:34,267 –> 00:23:36,288

[Lori Taylor]: made its debut when Rafiki,

566

00:23:36,165 –> 00:23:36,525

[jackie]: Yeah.

567

00:23:38,009 –> 00:23:41,674

[Lori Taylor]: put the red stripe on Simba Cub’s

head. OK,

568

00:23:40,850 –> 00:23:41,252

[jackie]: Yes.

569

00:23:42,294 –> 00:23:42,655

[Lori Taylor]: that’s where

570

00:23:42,538 –> 00:23:42,920

[jackie]: Correct.

571

00:23:42,695 –> 00:23:48,683

[Lori Taylor]: most people know it. But there’s

a lot of regenerative agriculture values for

572

00:23:48,743 –> 00:23:55,381

[Lori Taylor]: this fruit in particular. And

I like. And I never thought of prior to that

573

00:23:55,421 –> 00:24:01,183

[Lori Taylor]: episode, I never thought of superfoods

with the agriculture lens either.

574

00:24:01,229 –> 00:24:01,371

[jackie]: Mmm.

575

00:24:01,883 –> 00:24:02,324

[Lori Taylor]: Like, you

576

00:24:02,285 –> 00:24:02,528

[jackie]: Yeah.

577

00:24:02,344 –> 00:24:06,245

[Lori Taylor]: know, the values of agriculture

and, but that I’m glad that you said it because

578

00:24:06,265 –> 00:24:11,566

[Lori Taylor]: it kind of, kind of goes back

folks to what we discussed in the episode with

579

00:24:12,127 –> 00:24:15,308

[Lori Taylor]: Jeff from Tiga, which was just

a couple, you know, scroll back a couple weeks.

580

00:24:15,388 –> 00:24:15,628

[Lori Taylor]: But

581

00:24:17,282 –> 00:24:17,542

[jackie]: I will

582

00:24:17,468 –> 00:24:17,948

[Lori Taylor]: interesting.

583

00:24:17,562 –> 00:24:21,123

[jackie]: say Lori like I tend to be a bit of

a purist in this and I say I

584

00:24:21,238 –> 00:24:21,400

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

585

00:24:21,663 –> 00:24:25,384

[jackie]: that’s why I keep it limited when

I say that because as much as I’m interested

586

00:24:25,424 –> 00:24:31,006

[jackie]: in regenerative god I wish it wasn’t

so hard to say regenerative agriculture and

587

00:24:31,066 –> 00:24:34,607

[jackie]: it’s such an area of interest for

me it’s a passion of mine when I’m talking

588

00:24:34,627 –> 00:24:36,588

[jackie]: about the human health benefits

589

00:24:36,837 –> 00:24:38,993

[Lori Taylor]: Mm-hmm.

590

00:24:37,168 –> 00:24:39,509

[jackie]: I try to keep it as simple as possible

because

591

00:24:39,013 –> 00:24:39,456

[Lori Taylor]: You have to.

592

00:24:40,149 –> 00:24:44,883

[jackie]: you have to and also because I think

people are smart enough to realize that there

593

00:24:44,943 –> 00:24:49,585

[jackie]: are some things that we do and personal

choices that we make for our own personal,

594

00:24:49,645 –> 00:24:54,128

[jackie]: physical, and emotional, psychological

health and well-being and choices that we might

595

00:24:54,168 –> 00:24:59,151

[jackie]: make that have to do with the planet.

Those can be mutually exclusive, but they don’t

596

00:24:59,331 –> 00:25:02,993

[jackie]: have to be. And that’s the thing.

Like I don’t, I wouldn’t want to push someone

597

00:25:03,353 –> 00:25:07,856

[jackie]: to make a choice to consume a certain

type of food because simply because of its

598

00:25:08,076 –> 00:25:13,395

[jackie]: proposed benefits for the planet,

because we can always find sort of counterfactual

599

00:25:13,415 –> 00:25:15,116

[jackie]: to that. We can always find the

600

00:25:14,877 –> 00:25:15,301

[Lori Taylor]: Always.

601

00:25:15,196 –> 00:25:15,796

[jackie]: sort of like

602

00:25:15,563 –> 00:25:15,805

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

603

00:25:16,177 –> 00:25:16,637

[jackie]: antidote

604

00:25:16,511 –> 00:25:16,793

[Lori Taylor]: Always.

605

00:25:16,677 –> 00:25:21,460

[jackie]: to that. So I’m always careful to

do that, but I appreciate that point too, which

606

00:25:21,480 –> 00:25:26,124

[jackie]: is that like sometimes things may

have super benefits because they’re super for

607

00:25:26,184 –> 00:25:30,767

[jackie]: other things, but let’s be clear that

that’s not necessarily a

608

00:25:30,765 –> 00:25:31,205

[Lori Taylor]: That doesn’t

609

00:25:31,047 –> 00:25:31,467

[jackie]: talking

610

00:25:31,225 –> 00:25:31,886

[Lori Taylor]: necessarily,

611

00:25:31,507 –> 00:25:32,128

[jackie]: point for what

612

00:25:32,087 –> 00:25:32,347

[Lori Taylor]: yeah,

613

00:25:32,168 –> 00:25:32,828

[jackie]: it means for

614

00:25:32,788 –> 00:25:32,928

[Lori Taylor]: for

615

00:25:32,888 –> 00:25:33,168

[jackie]: human

616

00:25:32,968 –> 00:25:33,649

[Lori Taylor]: nutrition,

617

00:25:33,188 –> 00:25:33,489

[jackie]: health.

618

00:25:33,829 –> 00:25:34,150

[Lori Taylor]: yeah.

619

00:25:34,009 –> 00:25:35,510

[jackie]: Exactly.

620

00:25:34,871 –> 00:25:35,352

[Lori Taylor]: Right, OK.

621

00:25:36,151 –> 00:25:40,313

[jackie]: A lot of people in the nutrition marketing

space have been keen to do that recently.

622

00:25:41,065 –> 00:25:43,648

[Lori Taylor]: Well, you know, it’s the hot

it’s one of those hot new terms

623

00:25:43,838 –> 00:25:43,999

[jackie]: Yes,

624

00:25:43,848 –> 00:25:44,409

[Lori Taylor]: and food

625

00:25:44,240 –> 00:25:44,581

[jackie]: it is.

626

00:25:44,429 –> 00:25:48,934

[Lori Taylor]: marketing is regenerative agriculture

And as you and I both know, it’s just a matter

627

00:25:48,994 –> 00:25:54,441

[Lori Taylor]: of time before there’s going

to be a cheeto that is manufactured as a regeneratively

628

00:25:55,141 –> 00:25:56,363

[Lori Taylor]: sourced cheeto

629

00:25:56,246 –> 00:25:57,865

[jackie]: Yes, you’re so right.

630

00:25:58,037 –> 00:26:01,498

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah, I know I’m right. We’ve,

you and I’ve talked about it, and anyone who’s

631

00:26:01,538 –> 00:26:03,859

[Lori Taylor]: shopped in the grocery store

has seen this. I was at

632

00:26:03,885 –> 00:26:04,116

[jackie]: Yeah.

633

00:26:03,899 –> 00:26:09,202

[Lori Taylor]: the sales desk, folks, selling

fruits and vegetables when organic foods were

634

00:26:09,222 –> 00:26:14,884

[Lori Taylor]: on the rise. And we’re very much

like Jackie. We believe all fruits and vegetables

635

00:26:15,445 –> 00:26:19,607

[Lori Taylor]: are good for you. We’re totally

agnostic here at the Produce Moms as it relates

636

00:26:19,627 –> 00:26:24,409

[Lori Taylor]: to how those foods are, how those

fruits and vegetables are farmed or cultivated.

637

00:26:24,909 –> 00:26:30,272

[Lori Taylor]: Our job at the Produce Moms is

to help and the defined terms with each and

638

00:26:30,312 –> 00:26:34,515

[Lori Taylor]: every one of those farming styles.

And regenerative agriculture is another one

639

00:26:34,535 –> 00:26:42,440

[Lori Taylor]: of those terms where we don’t

have a comprehensive definition or even regulatory,

640

00:26:42,660 –> 00:26:43,581

[Lori Taylor]: you know, is still

641

00:26:43,582 –> 00:26:44,004

[jackie]: Anything.

642

00:26:43,621 –> 00:26:49,285

[Lori Taylor]: very gray as it relates to regenerative

ag, despite the fact that things like, you

643

00:26:49,305 –> 00:26:53,107

[Lori Taylor]: know, certifications are emerging

and we’re not dismissing the importance of

644

00:26:53,167 –> 00:26:56,450

[Lori Taylor]: it by any means. I mean, we’re

a certified B Corp at the Produce Moms. We

645

00:26:56,470 –> 00:26:56,850

[Lori Taylor]: believe

646

00:26:56,868 –> 00:26:57,193

[jackie]: Right.

647

00:26:56,890 –> 00:27:02,494

[Lori Taylor]: in… believe in environmental

responsibility, social responsibility, and

648

00:27:02,854 –> 00:27:07,958

[Lori Taylor]: regenerative agriculture touches

on both of those. But it is important to call,

649

00:27:08,578 –> 00:27:13,062

[Lori Taylor]: again, I’ve got my friend Jackie

We’re here to poke holes in shit, folks.

650

00:27:13,102 –> 00:27:13,242

[Lori Taylor]: That’s

651

00:27:13,226 –> 00:27:13,286

[jackie]: I

652

00:27:13,262 –> 00:27:13,362

[Lori Taylor]: what

653

00:27:13,346 –> 00:27:13,507

[jackie]: love

654

00:27:13,402 –> 00:27:13,622

[Lori Taylor]: we do.

655

00:27:13,587 –> 00:27:18,362

[jackie]: it. We’re here to poke holes in shit.

If we could name this episode Malagory, I think

656

00:27:18,402 –> 00:27:18,844

[jackie]: that’s it.

657

00:27:21,254 –> 00:27:25,859

[Lori Taylor]: Okay, so Jackie, I’ve got one

question for you and I on purpose kind of embargoed

658

00:27:25,879 –> 00:27:30,123

[Lori Taylor]: this question after we’ve had

some fun discussing your passions and insights

659

00:27:30,223 –> 00:27:35,648

[Lori Taylor]: on this topic. But the question

that we’re asking all of our guests on this

660

00:27:35,708 –> 00:27:39,272

[Lori Taylor]: little mini series of superfoods

is how do you define superfoods?

661

00:27:41,990 –> 00:27:46,674

[jackie]: I define, I’m going to go with part

dictionary definition

662

00:27:47,160 –> 00:27:47,388

[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

663

00:27:47,194 –> 00:27:50,377

[jackie]: and part my own version of the dictionary

definition, right?

664

00:27:50,297 –> 00:27:50,507

[Lori Taylor]: Good.

665

00:27:50,717 –> 00:27:55,401

[jackie]: So real whole foods, I’m going to

start with that. So if you see superfood on

666

00:27:55,562 –> 00:28:00,206

[jackie]: anything that is, uh, I don’t want

to see it on a juice. Okay. Because you’re

667

00:28:00,226 –> 00:28:04,950

[jackie]: not chewing a juice. You’re not, you’re

not consuming nutrients in the same way. that

668

00:28:04,990 –> 00:28:08,351

[jackie]: you would a real whole food. Now there

are plenty of people in my industry that would

669

00:28:08,371 –> 00:28:12,414

[jackie]: disagree with me on that. That’s okay,

I’m happy to disagree on that. But what I’m

670

00:28:12,454 –> 00:28:16,916

[jackie]: looking at is the overall nutrient

quality and nutrient density of that product.

671

00:28:17,196 –> 00:28:21,539

[jackie]: Yes, juice can be great for certain

contexts and for some people and for it, depending

672

00:28:21,619 –> 00:28:25,861

[jackie]: on what your financial situation is,

it might be your only way to get veggies and

673

00:28:25,881 –> 00:28:30,063

[jackie]: fruit. I understand all of those things,

but for our purposes and for getting people

674

00:28:30,083 –> 00:28:35,571

[jackie]: to consume more real whole foods,

I’m gonna define it as as I see it, which is

675

00:28:35,692 –> 00:28:39,118

[jackie]: things that you actually chew. So

real wholesome foods that you actually chew

676

00:28:40,220 –> 00:28:45,369

[jackie]: that provide fiber, antioxidants,

essential fatty acids, period.

677

00:28:46,805 –> 00:28:47,919

[Lori Taylor]: Love it. We’ve.

678

00:28:47,842 –> 00:28:49,563

[jackie]: And I’m going to add one more thing,

Lori.

679

00:28:50,073 –> 00:28:50,621

[Lori Taylor]: Please!

680

00:28:50,364 –> 00:28:54,607

[jackie]: I’m also going to define it. I’m going

to repeat this like a broken record, but they’re

681

00:28:54,627 –> 00:28:59,891

[jackie]: foods that for you, that are ones

that you enjoy eating so that you consume them

682

00:28:59,931 –> 00:29:05,275

[jackie]: consistently and become a part of

an overall dietary pattern and therefore an

683

00:29:05,355 –> 00:29:08,537

[jackie]: overall context for you that make

it nutritious for you.

684

00:29:10,154 –> 00:29:10,755

[Lori Taylor]: Okay. Boom,

685

00:29:10,902 –> 00:29:11,205

[jackie]: period

686

00:29:10,996 –> 00:29:11,236

[Lori Taylor]: mic

687

00:29:11,246 –> 00:29:11,327

[jackie]: on

688

00:29:11,256 –> 00:29:11,677

[Lori Taylor]: drop.

689

00:29:11,367 –> 00:29:11,670

[jackie]: that one.

690

00:29:12,078 –> 00:29:14,662

[Lori Taylor]: All right, do we even need to

continue the series, folks? I

691

00:29:14,646 –> 00:29:15,191

[jackie]: We

692

00:29:14,702 –> 00:29:15,203

[Lori Taylor]: don’t know. Ha

693

00:29:15,211 –> 00:29:15,352

[jackie]: are.

694

00:29:15,223 –> 00:29:15,884

[Lori Taylor]: ha ha.

695

00:29:18,961 –> 00:29:19,881

[Lori Taylor]: Um, well, no,

696

00:29:19,842 –> 00:29:20,007

[jackie]: What’s

697

00:29:19,901 –> 00:29:20,061

[Lori Taylor]: this

698

00:29:20,090 –> 00:29:20,172

[jackie]: it?

699

00:29:20,121 –> 00:29:24,522

[Lori Taylor]: is, this has been a great discussion.

Um, I’ve enjoyed every minute of it. Jackie,

700

00:29:24,542 –> 00:29:28,003

[Lori Taylor]: before we, we close out today’s

show, I want to, I want to talk a little bit

701

00:29:28,043 –> 00:29:31,264

[Lori Taylor]: more about what’s ahead for you.

Make sure that everyone knows where they can

702

00:29:31,304 –> 00:29:34,885

[Lori Taylor]: connect with you. Um, you know,

tell them a little bit more about your podcast.

703

00:29:35,045 –> 00:29:39,106

[Lori Taylor]: I’m telling you folks, you will

be entertained. It’s kind of, it’s kind of

704

00:29:39,146 –> 00:29:43,187

[Lori Taylor]: like a edgier, more fun version

of the produce moms podcast in a way.

705

00:29:45,110 –> 00:29:48,532

[jackie]: Well, I have had great inspiration

from you, Lori. Yes.

706

00:29:48,357 –> 00:29:48,777

[Lori Taylor]: Ha ha!

707

00:29:48,612 –> 00:29:52,656

[jackie]: So definitely find me the business

of the podcast is called the business of wellness.

708

00:29:52,676 –> 00:29:56,739

[jackie]: You can find it wherever you listen,

of course. Um, and my main goal with it is

709

00:29:56,759 –> 00:30:02,443

[jackie]: to take deep dives into specific areas

of the wellness industry. Um, both from the

710

00:30:02,563 –> 00:30:07,668

[jackie]: standpoint of real wellness industry

experts, like myself, like other dietitians,

711

00:30:07,828 –> 00:30:12,759

[jackie]: practitioners, uh, physicians. and

also from the standpoint of business owners,

712

00:30:12,899 –> 00:30:16,821

[jackie]: real everyday business owners who

are looking for those, for that advice, for

713

00:30:16,841 –> 00:30:20,983

[jackie]: those solutions from practitioners.

So to kind of bring those two things together

714

00:30:21,404 –> 00:30:25,826

[jackie]: and have a real honest, frank conversation

about what wellness actually is and what it’s

715

00:30:25,886 –> 00:30:28,147

[jackie]: not, because there’s a lot of things

it’s not.

716

00:30:29,090 –> 00:30:29,357

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

717

00:30:29,388 –> 00:30:33,815

[jackie]: But I will leave that as the teaser.

Um, and you can check it out again. It’s called

718

00:30:33,835 –> 00:30:37,778

[jackie]: the business of wellness and, um,

to connect with me, find me, you can find me

719

00:30:37,958 –> 00:30:43,903

[jackie]: online. Um, my website is JacquelineLondonRD.com

and I would love to hear from you. I mean,

720

00:30:44,123 –> 00:30:47,005

[jackie]: I am always looking for new business

opportunities.

721

00:30:47,288 –> 00:30:47,477

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

722

00:30:47,306 –> 00:30:50,949

[jackie]: Uh, how can we work together? I work

with individuals, but I also work with brands

723

00:30:50,969 –> 00:30:56,073

[jackie]: and businesses. So reach out to me

if you have any questions or are looking for

724

00:30:56,233 –> 00:31:01,717

[jackie]: some help and just need some place

to start. And you can follow me online at JacquelineLondonRD.com.

725

00:31:02,186 –> 00:31:02,531

[jackie]: everywhere

726

00:31:02,405 –> 00:31:02,925

[Lori Taylor]: I love that.

727

00:31:02,754 –> 00:31:03,748

[jackie]: on all social platforms.

728

00:31:04,266 –> 00:31:09,631

[Lori Taylor]: I love it. Well, and you know

what, Jackie? As we have had all these discussions

729

00:31:09,651 –> 00:31:12,093

[Lori Taylor]: with the Food as Medicine, and

I attended the Food as Medicine summit as a

730

00:31:12,153 –> 00:31:17,197

[Lori Taylor]: delegate, and that’s kind of

what started this whole, you know, now we’re

731

00:31:17,417 –> 00:31:21,040

[Lori Taylor]: two mini-series deep into kind

of a similar topic here. But

732

00:31:21,142 –> 00:31:21,449

[jackie]: Love it.

733

00:31:22,982 –> 00:31:27,306

[Lori Taylor]: I kind of feel like it’s the

registered dietician’s golden hour right now.

734

00:31:27,466 –> 00:31:28,026

[Lori Taylor]: Like, people are

735

00:31:28,022 –> 00:31:28,163

[jackie]: Oh,

736

00:31:28,106 –> 00:31:29,367

[Lori Taylor]: really realizing.

737

00:31:29,729 –> 00:31:31,135

[jackie]: happy to hear that. Hope that’s

738

00:31:31,122 –> 00:31:31,162

[Lori Taylor]: I

739

00:31:31,175 –> 00:31:31,416

[jackie]: true.

740

00:31:31,202 –> 00:31:37,065

[Lori Taylor]: do feel like people are recognizing

that. You know what? as much as we all love

741

00:31:37,085 –> 00:31:47,130

[Lori Taylor]: our doctors and need them, they

don’t have the capacity nor the education requirements

742

00:31:47,650 –> 00:31:48,831

[Lori Taylor]: to

743

00:31:47,668 –> 00:31:47,935

[jackie]: Yeah.

744

00:31:48,891 –> 00:31:55,814

[Lori Taylor]: really understand nutrition the

way that most patients and the broader consumer

745

00:31:56,554 –> 00:31:59,156

[Lori Taylor]: public population needs that

guidance on.

746

00:32:00,628 –> 00:32:01,076

[jackie]: So true.

747

00:32:05,479 –> 00:32:12,801

[Lori Taylor]: for patient care. And certainly

in the food industry, they’ve been a primary

748

00:32:12,841 –> 00:32:16,142

[Lori Taylor]: stakeholder in the food industry

for years. But I do think that there’s a heightened

749

00:32:16,182 –> 00:32:21,124

[Lori Taylor]: awareness from a downstream point

of view, like the household level point of

750

00:32:21,164 –> 00:32:21,444

[Lori Taylor]: view.

751

00:32:21,388 –> 00:32:22,590

[jackie]: I love to hear that. That

752

00:32:22,484 –> 00:32:22,784

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

753

00:32:22,630 –> 00:32:26,617

[jackie]: makes me so happy. Because we weren’t,

let me tell you, myself and others, we worry

754

00:32:26,637 –> 00:32:27,679

[jackie]: about this a lot because

755

00:32:28,045 –> 00:32:28,390

[Lori Taylor]: Mm-hmm.

756

00:32:28,059 –> 00:32:32,607

[jackie]: we have, we’re up against quite a

mountain in Washington of lobbying.

757

00:32:32,981 –> 00:32:38,044

[Lori Taylor]: Well, not only that, but you’ve

got people who are nutrition aficionados,

758

00:32:37,982 –> 00:32:38,728

[jackie]: Yes,

759

00:32:38,264 –> 00:32:38,784

[Lori Taylor]: who

760

00:32:39,212 –> 00:32:39,676

[jackie]: yes.

761

00:32:39,765 –> 00:32:41,366

[Lori Taylor]: with the gift of

762

00:32:42,015 –> 00:32:42,563

[jackie]: Exactly.

763

00:32:42,627 –> 00:32:45,849

[Lori Taylor]: content creation and digital

media, anyone

764

00:32:45,868 –> 00:32:46,158

[jackie]: Right.

765

00:32:46,269 –> 00:32:50,071

[Lori Taylor]: can portray themselves as a voice

of authority and an expert.

766

00:32:50,722 –> 00:32:51,222

[jackie]: So true.

767

00:32:51,572 –> 00:32:51,832

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

768

00:32:51,702 –> 00:32:56,025

[jackie]: So true. Yeah. Know what? Really?

It does require kind of like beating that drum

769

00:32:56,065 –> 00:33:00,768

[jackie]: of saying over and over again. The

only nutrition advice to take is one from someone

770

00:33:00,788 –> 00:33:02,809

[jackie]: with an RD after their name. Really.

771

00:33:02,697 –> 00:33:07,098

[Lori Taylor]: I completely agree. I actually

scheduled, I don’t know if you’re gonna love

772

00:33:07,139 –> 00:33:08,799

[Lori Taylor]: me or hate me when I say this

out loud,

773

00:33:09,378 –> 00:33:09,525

[jackie]: Bye!

774

00:33:09,460 –> 00:33:15,522

[Lori Taylor]: I scheduled my very first, like

just, I’ve never had a user experience with,

775

00:33:15,562 –> 00:33:15,943

[jackie]: Yeah.

776

00:33:15,602 –> 00:33:17,183

[Lori Taylor]: or a patient experience with

an RD.

777

00:33:17,929 –> 00:33:18,110

[jackie]: Oh,

778

00:33:17,983 –> 00:33:18,243

[Lori Taylor]: How many

779

00:33:18,150 –> 00:33:18,290

[jackie]: I

780

00:33:18,283 –> 00:33:18,443

[Lori Taylor]: times

781

00:33:18,310 –> 00:33:18,531

[jackie]: love

782

00:33:18,484 –> 00:33:18,584

[Lori Taylor]: have

783

00:33:18,571 –> 00:33:18,832

[jackie]: that,

784

00:33:18,604 –> 00:33:18,904

[Lori Taylor]: I talked

785

00:33:18,892 –> 00:33:19,353

[jackie]: Lori.

786

00:33:18,924 –> 00:33:19,784

[Lori Taylor]: to RDs? Like,

787

00:33:19,855 –> 00:33:20,457

[jackie]: Yes.

788

00:33:20,765 –> 00:33:24,266

[Lori Taylor]: I mean, oftentimes weekly in

work, you know, or

789

00:33:24,258 –> 00:33:24,531

[jackie]: Yeah.

790

00:33:24,366 –> 00:33:28,428

[Lori Taylor]: at a minimum monthly, have plenty

who are dear friends. And,

791

00:33:28,087 –> 00:33:28,297

[jackie]: Right.

792

00:33:29,921 –> 00:33:32,862

[Lori Taylor]: we had Taylor from Kroger on,

she’s director of nutrition at Kroger right

793

00:33:32,902 –> 00:33:33,162

[Lori Taylor]: now,

794

00:33:33,527 –> 00:33:33,821

[jackie]: amazing.

795

00:33:33,702 –> 00:33:36,904

[Lori Taylor]: and she was part of the Food

is Medicine series and she was talking about

796

00:33:37,324 –> 00:33:43,447

[Lori Taylor]: how the Kroger dietitians are

available through Kroger Health and their telehealth.

797

00:33:43,927 –> 00:33:44,027

[Lori Taylor]: And I

798

00:33:44,016 –> 00:33:44,237

[jackie]: Yeah.

799

00:33:44,047 –> 00:33:46,928

[Lori Taylor]: was like, you know what, I need

to schedule that. Like I have no

800

00:33:46,859 –> 00:33:47,246

[jackie]: Yes.

801

00:33:47,029 –> 00:33:51,471

[Lori Taylor]: idea what that even, what that

user experience is or that patient care, patient

802

00:33:51,671 –> 00:33:53,051

[Lori Taylor]: RD interface looks

803

00:33:52,895 –> 00:33:53,057

[jackie]: Love

804

00:33:53,091 –> 00:33:53,452

[Lori Taylor]: like.

805

00:33:53,098 –> 00:33:53,301

[jackie]: that.

806

00:33:53,932 –> 00:33:56,273

[Lori Taylor]: So I just had my first like exploratory

807

00:33:56,960 –> 00:33:57,313

[jackie]: Yeah.

808

00:33:59,935 –> 00:34:01,215

[Lori Taylor]: lot and you know who I really

809

00:34:01,215 –> 00:34:01,419

[jackie]: Yeah.

810

00:34:01,235 –> 00:34:05,558

[Lori Taylor]: want to get engaged with this

is my both of my children but especially my

811

00:34:05,638 –> 00:34:07,279

[Lori Taylor]: older one who’s now a high school

athlete

812

00:34:08,846 –> 00:34:09,706

[jackie]: So helpful

813

00:34:09,980 –> 00:34:10,240

[Lori Taylor]: yeah

814

00:34:10,107 –> 00:34:13,810

[jackie]: and so necessary. No, I love that

you said that, Laurie, because I think that’s

815

00:34:13,830 –> 00:34:17,113

[jackie]: another, especially for your listeners,

like that’s another important thing to know,

816

00:34:17,193 –> 00:34:21,537

[jackie]: is that just because you have worked

with us does not necessarily mean that you’ve

817

00:34:21,577 –> 00:34:25,081

[jackie]: had the user experience. And I actually

think the user experience is way more valuable

818

00:34:25,121 –> 00:34:28,404

[jackie]: sometimes, just to know what it’s

like and to understand what it’s like to be

819

00:34:28,444 –> 00:34:29,945

[jackie]: in that one-on-one context.

820

00:34:30,441 –> 00:34:36,044

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah, and it was really flawless

and super affordable. And

821

00:34:36,823 –> 00:34:37,236

[jackie]: Love that.

822

00:34:37,445 –> 00:34:42,068

[Lori Taylor]: I highly recommend it, you know,

because I feel like I also have a pretty good

823

00:34:42,128 –> 00:34:48,653

[Lori Taylor]: pulse on all things nutrition.

I feel like I have a heightened awareness and

824

00:34:48,713 –> 00:34:49,273

[Lori Taylor]: understanding

825

00:34:49,058 –> 00:34:49,310

[jackie]: Yeah.

826

00:34:49,313 –> 00:34:55,365

[Lori Taylor]: of nutrition compared to most

consumers because of my line of work. But I

827

00:34:55,405 –> 00:34:57,406

[Lori Taylor]: had a lot to learn, you know?

And it’s still

828

00:34:57,334 –> 00:34:57,565

[jackie]: Yeah.

829

00:34:57,446 –> 00:35:02,268

[Lori Taylor]: hard to navigate. Not so much

for me. I wasn’t there to navigate fruit and

830

00:35:02,288 –> 00:35:09,011

[Lori Taylor]: vegetable stuff, but more like,

OK, do I need a Clif Bar in my house? Or what’s

831

00:35:09,071 –> 00:35:09,411

[Lori Taylor]: the good

832

00:35:09,194 –> 00:35:09,536

[jackie]: Right,

833

00:35:09,451 –> 00:35:10,032

[Lori Taylor]: grab and go

834

00:35:09,938 –> 00:35:10,340

[jackie]: yeah,

835

00:35:10,072 –> 00:35:12,373

[Lori Taylor]: pantry staple for

836

00:35:11,747 –> 00:35:12,129

[jackie]: right.

837

00:35:12,773 –> 00:35:15,414

[Lori Taylor]: where I’m at with my metabolic

age and my

838

00:35:16,724 –> 00:35:16,928

[jackie]: Yeah.

839

00:35:17,235 –> 00:35:22,317

[Lori Taylor]: goals as it relates to personal

wellness and nutrition? I love how Clif Bars

840

00:35:22,357 –> 00:35:25,944

[Lori Taylor]: taste, but I’m not rock climbing.

I’m so sorry.

841

00:35:30,699 –> 00:35:30,839

[jackie]: Right?

842

00:35:30,813 –> 00:35:31,173

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah,

843

00:35:30,879 –> 00:35:32,121

[jackie]: Such a great point. Yeah,

844

00:35:31,954 –> 00:35:32,475

[Lori Taylor]: yeah.

845

00:35:32,281 –> 00:35:34,285

[jackie]: no, it’s true. It’s really such a

good point.

846

00:35:34,639 –> 00:35:40,098

[Lori Taylor]: So I do feel like and so please

folks, if you haven’t. If you haven’t heightened

847

00:35:40,118 –> 00:35:44,082

[Lori Taylor]: your appreciation or even your

awareness for what registered dietitians offer

848

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[Lori Taylor]: to us all through the healthcare

space or even just the consumer media space,

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[Lori Taylor]: which that’s how I’d kind of

categorize you Jackie. A lot of what you’re

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[Lori Taylor]: doing is just amazing free knowledge

that you’re sharing with folks on your social

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[Lori Taylor]: platforms.

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[jackie]: Great, thank you.

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[Lori Taylor]: So please engage and check it

out.

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[jackie]: Yeah, definitely come and find me.

Jacqueline London RD, everywhere.

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[Lori Taylor]: All right, well, one final one

final mic drop. I’m going to send the mic to

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[Lori Taylor]: you. Anything you want people

to really remember and take home from this

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[Lori Taylor]: episode as we close things out

today?

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[jackie]: Yes, I’m going to repeat my line for

the 80th time, but

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[Lori Taylor]: Good.

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[jackie]: I feel like it’s one that bears repeating

any food that is nutritious for you is only

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[jackie]: as super for you as the context and

consistency in which it’s consumed. That’s

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[jackie]: all.

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[Lori Taylor]: Boom. All right. Well thank you

Jackie for being here folks. Thanks for tuning

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[Lori Taylor]: in. You know the drill. We need

ratings reviews to keep this thing going. Do

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[Lori Taylor]: them or don’t do them. I’ll still

be back next week. All right.

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[jackie]: I love it.

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[Lori Taylor]: Don’t hang up.

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Episode 269: Jaclyn London

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