Rebecca Margetts is the General Manager at Taylor Pass Honey Company, a leading honey producer in New Zealand that crafts award-winning Manuka honey. Manuka honey is known to have significant antibacterial properties. Genuine Manuka Honey is only produced in New Zealand and given a score called a Unique Manuka Factor (UMF) that indicates its antibacterial potency. Today’s show is all about one of my favorite Superfoods: Taylor Pass Manuka Honey

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[Lori Taylor]: Hello everybody and welcome back.

This is Lori Taylor with the produce moms podcast.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: As you know, I absolutely love

hosting this show week after week. We are spotlighting

 

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[Lori Taylor]: some of the most amazing guests

that are helping our broader mission of getting

 

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[Lori Taylor]: fruits and vegetables on every

table and specifically for the series that

 

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[Lori Taylor]: we are celebrating right now,

we are spotlighting super foods. So today’s

 

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[Lori Taylor]: episode we are welcoming Rebecca

Margatts. She is the general manager at Taylor

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Pass Honey Company. This is a

leading honey producer in New Zealand that

 

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[Lori Taylor]: crafts award-winning manuka honey.

Manuka honey is known to have significant antibacterial

 

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[Lori Taylor]: properties. Genuine manuka honey

is only produced in New Zealand and it’s also

 

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[Lori Taylor]: given a score that anyone who

has purchased manuka honey, you’ve seen this

 

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[Lori Taylor]: on the labels. UMF, the unique

manuka factor. And this score indicates the

 

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[Lori Taylor]: honey’s antibacterial potency.

So today’s show is truly all about one of my

 

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[Lori Taylor]: favorite super foods, Taylor

Pass Manuka Honey. We’re gonna answer some

 

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[Lori Taylor]: of the questions and help you

all with your discovery and utilization of

 

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[Lori Taylor]: manuka honey in your own home.

So it’s gonna be a great show. And we are thrilled

 

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[Lori Taylor]: to welcome Rebecca to the Produce

Moms podcast. Rebecca, you and I have been

 

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[Lori Taylor]: talking about this moment for,

gosh, over a year, uh, trying to figure out

 

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[Lori Taylor]: when is the right time to bring

you on the show and spotlight Taylor pass and

 

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[Lori Taylor]: help educate folks on, on Manuka

honey. So to say that this is highly anticipated

 

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[Lori Taylor]: is an

 

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[Rebecca]: I’m

 

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[Lori Taylor]: understatement,

 

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[Rebecca]: sorry.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: but we are so thrilled to welcome

you. Thank you for being here, Rebecca.

 

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[Rebecca]: Oh, Laurie, thank you so much for

having me. And look, dear, to your point, you’re

 

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[Rebecca]: absolutely correct. We’ve been talking

about this for a while, and I’m just delighted

 

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[Rebecca]: to have the opportunity to talk about

Manuka with you. And you already know a lot

 

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[Rebecca]: about it, but unfortunately, there

is a lot of misinformation around Manuka,

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

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[Rebecca]: and I’ve made it my mission to dispel

a lot of those myths. So thank you for the

 

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[Rebecca]: opportunity, and look forward to

doing this with you.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: It’s going to be a great show.

And you know, Rebecca, in our introductory

 

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[Lori Taylor]: episode that we used to kick

off the superfood series here at the produce

 

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[Lori Taylor]: mom’s podcast, I actually talked

about Manuka honey because it’s one of the

 

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[Lori Taylor]: items that I’m probably most

likely to turn to as, you know, despite all

 

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[Lori Taylor]: of my knowledge and access to

fruits, vegetables, other superfoods. Manuka

 

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[Lori Taylor]: honey is the one thing I always

have in my, in my home kitchen. Um, and, and

 

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[Lori Taylor]: I guess also in my medicine cabinet,

but, um,

 

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[Rebecca]: Good

 

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[Lori Taylor]: you,

 

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[Rebecca]: night.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: you are a big reason for that.

You’re the one who educated me on Manuka honey

 

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[Lori Taylor]: and our time together at expo

West when I was able to, you know, meet you

 

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[Lori Taylor]: and, and in person and learn

more about Manuka honey, it just, it’s stuck

 

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[Lori Taylor]: with me, so let’s help. Let’s

kick things off and help people understand.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: You know, let’s start at the

basics, like certainly a self-introduction,

 

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[Lori Taylor]: helping people understand why

this line of work is your passion, but also

 

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[Lori Taylor]: let’s introduce people to Taylor

Pass.

 

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[Rebecca]: Fantastic. Well, look, I’ve been

in the food industry for 20 plus years and

 

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[Rebecca]: done different product categories.

But certainly when I came to Manuka, when I

 

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[Rebecca]: came to honey, I think there is something

very special about honey. It’s a product that’s

 

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[Rebecca]: so easy to consume, to take, to find.

And it is really, really special. I mean, we

 

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[Rebecca]: all know that, you know, honey is

better for us than sugar, for example. And

 

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[Rebecca]: then you’ve got a product like Manuka,

which is just the next level. And at TailorPass,

 

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[Rebecca]: you know, we’ve been doing honey

for 20 plus years. So it’s something that we’re

 

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[Rebecca]: not new to. We’ve been doing it for

a long time. And originally the business was

 

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[Rebecca]: very much focused around just beekeeping

and bulk trading. Then over time, we developed

 

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[Rebecca]: a branded product, which is what

we’ve got today. And it’s come with 20 years

 

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[Rebecca]: of experience behind it. So I run

sales and marketing for the business. And we’ve

 

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[Rebecca]: got a presence across the U.S., as

you’ll be aware, or also in the UK, Japan,

 

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[Rebecca]: Hong Kong. Singapore. We’re launching

shortly into the Middle East and also into

 

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[Rebecca]: India. So to say that the Manuka

story is growing is an understatement. You

 

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[Rebecca]: know, in certain markets, it’s far

better understood than others. It’s newer,

 

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[Rebecca]: I would say, to the US, but it’s

certainly growing traction. And as a disclaimer,

 

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[Rebecca]: I’m not a scientist, but I’m a passionate

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

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[Rebecca]: honey consumer. And yes, it’s a category

that I’m very passionate about.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: I love it. Well, and I’m in the

same boat. I mean, I don’t have any initials

 

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[Lori Taylor]: after my last name or anything

like that,

 

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[Rebecca]: I’m

 

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[Lori Taylor]: but I’m very

 

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[Rebecca]: going

 

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[Lori Taylor]: passionate

 

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[Rebecca]: to go to bed.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: about fruits and vegetables.

And I’ve dedicated a huge portion of my career

 

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[Lori Taylor]: to helping people, you know,

navigate the produce department and all other

 

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[Lori Taylor]: categories of the grocery industry,

you know, food items that I would consider

 

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[Lori Taylor]: produce adjacent. food items

exactly like Manuka honey and truly, all of

 

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[Lori Taylor]: your honeys that you have at

Taylor Pass. I know that you mentioned 20 years

 

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[Lori Taylor]: and the apiary bee honey farming

business. So we will dive into that as today’s

 

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[Lori Taylor]: discussion evolves, but let’s

start with why we’re here. And we are here

 

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[Lori Taylor]: on this show today because Manuka

honey is. hailed as a superfood with antibacterial

 

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[Lori Taylor]: properties even. So help people

who are extremely, well, let’s actually, I’m

 

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[Lori Taylor]: gonna back up a little. I’m gonna

ask you the question we’ve asked everyone who’s

 

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[Lori Taylor]: part of this mini series. So

Rebecca, how do you define a superfood?

 

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[Rebecca]: For me, a superfood is obviously

a food, which has got a high nutritional content,

 

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[Rebecca]: so more health benefits than other

products in its category. And when you, if

 

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[Rebecca]: you look at Manuka and you look at

honey, honey has got health benefits of its

 

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[Rebecca]: own, but Manuka honey is simply the

next level. And it’s an incredible product

 

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[Rebecca]: with amazing health attributes. And

I will probably talk about this in more detail

 

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[Rebecca]: shortly, but as a short summary,

Manuka honey is antibacterial, anti-inflammatory,

 

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[Rebecca]: anti-microbial. antioxidant and antiviral.

So if you think about that within one product

 

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[Rebecca]: and a product that’s so easy to just

consume, you know, you can add it to toast,

 

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[Rebecca]: your tea, to your, you know, there’s

so many different ways of taking it. It’s such

 

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[Rebecca]: an easy way to boost your immunity

daily through a product which, you know, is

 

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[Rebecca]: incredible but also tastes great.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Right, right. Well, thank you.

I love that description. And of course, what

 

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[Lori Taylor]: a great definition of superfoods

as well. So, manuka honey, I guess I didn’t

 

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[Lori Taylor]: realize that the properties went

so deep. So it’s antibacterial,

 

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[Rebecca]: Here we go.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: antimicrobial, anti-inflammatory.

My goodness, I did not know all of that. So

 

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[Rebecca]: I’m going to go ahead and turn it off.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: on the manuka honey jars, Um,

you know, and you mentioned this in your introductory

 

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[Lori Taylor]: remarks, the amount of misinformation

or misunderstanding surrounding Manuka honey,

 

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[Lori Taylor]: let’s, let’s help people kind

of navigate. Cause when you look at a jar of

 

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[Lori Taylor]: authentic Manuka honey, there

is always the, um, the unique Manuka factor

 

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[Lori Taylor]: it’s U M F and it’s

 

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[Rebecca]: correct.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: followed by a number. And then

there’s also an M-G-O. So let’s help people

 

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[Lori Taylor]: understand what is UMF, what

is M-G-O, anything else that folks should be

 

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[Lori Taylor]: looking for on the label when

they are purchasing Manuka honey.

 

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[Rebecca]: So you hit the nail on head. Number

one you need to look for is UMF. So UMF, as

 

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[Rebecca]: you said, unique manuka factor. And

before I delve into that in a bit more detail,

 

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[Rebecca]: unfortunately, MGO and UMF are not

the only labels, grades you’ll find on packaging.

 

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[Rebecca]: You’ll find bioactive in a number,

letters in a number, K-factor, pollen present.

 

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[Rebecca]: There’s all these different grading

systems out there. And what happens is the

 

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[Rebecca]: consumer goes to shelf, looks at

all these products, and actually doesn’t know

 

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[Rebecca]: how to compare. So often they’ll

look for the bigger number. or some kind of

 

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[Rebecca]: accreditation and unfortunately they’re

not equal. So MGO is the potency measure. So

 

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[Rebecca]: that is one measure only. UMF is

actually an independent grading system which

 

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[Rebecca]: is based off four factors. So it’s

got a Leptosporin scoparium which is the original

 

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[Rebecca]: authenticity measure. The Leptosporin

scoparium is the plant that the Manuka honey

 

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[Rebecca]: comes from. So that’s the

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

 

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[Rebecca]: first part

 

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[Rebecca]: So MGO is short for Methylglyoxal.

That is the potency measure of the Manuka honey.

 

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[Rebecca]: Then you have got the DHA and the

HMF, and that is a shelf life and freshness.

 

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[Rebecca]: So only a honey which is UMF labeled

is guaranteed to come from New Zealand and

 

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[Rebecca]: to have all of those measures. So

it’s really important to make sure that when

 

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[Rebecca]: you’re. paying for Manuka because

it’s not a cheap product. We’ll talk about

 

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[Rebecca]: why in a minute, but it’s not a cheap

product. Make sure you’re getting the authentic

 

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[Rebecca]: Manuka

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Right.

 

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[Rebecca]: honey. And really the only way to

do that is to reach for a product which has

 

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[Rebecca]: got UMF.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yes, and from a UMF point of

view, my shopper experience is the higher the

 

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[Lori Taylor]: UMF number, the cost is also

higher.

 

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[Rebecca]: Correct. So it’s

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

 

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[Rebecca]: the potency measure. So the MGO is

the active component. So it’s important to

 

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[Rebecca]: know with Manuka Honey, we don’t

make any therapeutic claims. You know, we know

 

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[Rebecca]: there’s a lot of research and we

direct people to that research. We know anecdotally

 

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[Rebecca]: what it is supports and what it is

good for, but we don’t say that it will do,

 

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[Rebecca]: it’s going to kill, it’s going to

cure your cold, or it’s

 

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[Lori Taylor]: No.

 

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[Rebecca]: going to do, it’s going

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

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[Rebecca]: to help and support your immunity

and help with all of these things. But yes,

 

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[Rebecca]: the potency measure, which is the

MGO, The higher the number, the more potent.

 

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[Rebecca]: But for example, if you have a look

at a UMF 5, the MGO content is 83. So if you

 

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[Rebecca]: have a look at a UMF 15, the potency

measures 514. So the higher the UMF, the MGO

 

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[Rebecca]: is an equivalency. The problem is

you then have a look at other products on shelf,

 

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[Rebecca]: and there is some brands that opted

to just put a number and a plus sign. So you’ll

 

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[Rebecca]: have

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

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[Rebecca]: a 10 plus. but that is not a UMF

10 plus, so always look for that UMF sign to

 

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[Rebecca]: be guaranteed that you’re getting

exactly the same. For example, K-Factor, K-Factor

 

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[Rebecca]: have got, the Wetter Spoon have got

two products. The K-Factor 12 is actually a

 

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[Rebecca]: multi-floral honey. It’s not even

a monofloral. The K-Factor 16 is a monofloral

 

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[Rebecca]: honey, but it’s the equivalent roughly

of a UMF 5 plus, but they’re

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Wow,

 

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[Rebecca]: thinking they’re

 

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[Lori Taylor]: okay.

 

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[Rebecca]: getting something far more potent.

So there’s a lot of confusion. And as I said

 

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[Rebecca]: to you when we met, my mission is

very much to educate. So that when the consumer

 

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[Rebecca]: goes to shelf, they know what they’re

looking at and then they can make a choice

 

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[Rebecca]: based on the fact that, that product’s

on promotion, so I will buy that one. Or I

 

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[Rebecca]: like the brand story of this product,

or this one is B Corp certified and that’s

 

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[Rebecca]: why I want to purchase that product.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Sure.

 

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[Rebecca]: But to be able to make a fair comparison

and really understand what they’re purchasing.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah. And you know, there, I

think that, um, I think that there is a lot

 

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[Lori Taylor]: of shopper confusion. Um, so

I want to encourage folks, you can visit Taylor

 

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[Lori Taylor]: And they have a really comprehensive,

you know, all sorts of storytelling first and

 

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page talks about their honey, uh, cultivating

 

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then They have an online shop where you can

 

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you know, like I’m looking here, you have UMF

 

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[Lori Taylor]: 5 plus, UMF 10 plus, UMF 15 plus.

Is that the highest that it goes? 15 plus.

 

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got currently. We are going to be launching

 

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that you purchase Manuka Honey for what you

 

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your daily immunity support. You just have

 

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product you reach for at daily use. The 10

 

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you’re starting to feel unwell. You’ve got

 

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You can just see something’s happening. You

 

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your 10 plus. The 15 plus is when you’re sick.

 

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how you purchase your honey, you need to purchase

 

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But so,

 

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will look to launch a 20 plus at some stage

 

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in the range at the moment.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: I got it. Okay. Well, good to

know. All right. Now let’s talk about New Zealand.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: I think you’re the very first

guest from the Produce Moms podcast from New

 

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[Rebecca]: Oh!

 

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[Lori Taylor]: that would be very appropriate

because to my understanding, Rebecca, the only

 

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around this. Other countries are trying to

 

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their countries, grow it and then produce manuka

 

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to this. One manuka honey, the word manuka

 

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language of New Zealand. So it could not be

 

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manuka absolutely from New Zealand. All the

 

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honey was done on the plants. in New Zealand.

 

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environmental factors do affect the end result.

 

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[Rebecca]: So all the research was done on manuka

honey from New Zealand. That’s the first part.

 

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[Rebecca]: The other thing is that from in New

Zealand, we’ve got very, very strict guidelines

 

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or not. So you’ll be aware that a few years

 

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around the fact that five times the amount

 

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than was actually produced. So it kind of told

 

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manuka out there. So the New Zealand government

 

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we’ve got what we call an MPI standard, which

 

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And they’ve set a standard, a set of tests

 

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to be able to qualify as manuka honey. Within

 

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be identified as multi-floral or monofloral.

 

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[Rebecca]: So monofluor is when the bees have

pollinated mainly manuka and multifluor is

 

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[Rebecca]: if they’ve been to the manuka, but

also other plants around, because unfortunately

 

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they go where they want to go.

 

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[Rebecca]: And of course, and of course the

methylglyoxal content is much higher in monofluor

 

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then go on to claim that they’ve got manuka

 

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the MPI standards. So they produce honey and

 

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because it comes from a manuka plant, but it

 

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as the MPI standard. So manuka from New Zealand

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Right, right. Okay, so thank

you for clarifying that. So that is also something

 

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[Lori Taylor]: that’s really important for folks.

And if you see that UMF, which is registered,

 

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[Lori Taylor]: party verification, part of that

UMF criteria is that the Manuka honey is from

 

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[Rebecca]: Correct. And

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

 

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[Rebecca]: I think one of the things that makes

it so important to come from New Zealand is

 

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[Rebecca]: that, so in New Zealand, it is not

allowed to import honey. So you can’t import

 

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[Rebecca]: any honey into New Zealand, which

means that honey that’s packed and produced

 

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New Zealand

 

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[Lori Taylor]: here.

 

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[Rebecca]: So when you think that honey is the

second most adulterated food product in the

 

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level of traceability is really important.

 

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[Rebecca]: So

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Okay, we

 

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[Rebecca]: I

 

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[Rebecca]: suggest

 

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[Lori Taylor]: to

 

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[Rebecca]: when

 

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[Rebecca]: your shop

 

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[Lori Taylor]: this.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: I didn’t, yeah, I did not know

 

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[Lori Taylor]: yeah, you

 

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[Lori Taylor]: have

 

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[Lori Taylor]: to elaborate on that because

I did not know that stat, Rebecca.

 

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[Rebecca]: Oh, look, it’s actually incredible.

And unfortunately, you’ll find when you go

 

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[Rebecca]: into stores now and you have a look

at your honey, and some of them even say local

 

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[Rebecca]: or honey of US, if you have a look

on the side, it will often say blended with

 

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[Rebecca]: or made from US and imported honey.

So a lot of honey, I’d say a large majority,

 

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[Rebecca]: if not most of the honey in the US

is actually not just 100% US honey. So that’s

 

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[Rebecca]: the first part. If it comes from

New Zealand, 100% honey. You have the full

 

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[Rebecca]: traceability. We can trace it down

to the hive, which is so important.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Right.

 

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[Rebecca]: And unfortunately, it’s not the case

of a lot of other honeys in the world, and

 

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[Rebecca]: particularly in the US, sadly. So

that’s one thing to really understand. The

 

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[Rebecca]: other thing is, in New Zealand, we

bee keep for honey production. So the purpose

 

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[Rebecca]: of beekeeping in New Zealand is actually

honey. In the US, for example, the purpose

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

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[Rebecca]: So the highs basically travel all

year round around the country following the

 

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the US, one of the biggest ones is actually

 

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pollination around the country all year round.

 

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[Rebecca]: So in New Zealand, because beekeeping

is for honey, our bees right now, so right

 

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[Rebecca]: now it’s winter, we’re in opposite

hemispheres to the US,

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

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[Rebecca]: our bees are asleep right now. It’s

winter, they’re

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

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[Rebecca]: So it’s a very different. purpose

of beekeeping and that then talks to you know

 

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[Rebecca]: what makes our honey special. You

know it’s if you know that honey is the focus

 

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[Rebecca]: you treat your hive and you basically

deal with diseases very differently. So you’ll

 

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[Rebecca]: know for example the colony collapse

disease CCD which is basically the bees are

 

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real scary thought because a lot of the produce

 

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be gone if it’s not pollinated. So protecting

 

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important thing to do. In New Zealand, because

 

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[Rebecca]: the focus is honey, the way we treat

the hives is different. So we do not, for example,

 

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of our bee hives. So there is no antibiotic

 

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if your focus is pollination, you treat your

 

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purpose is to keep the hive alive to move to

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

 

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[Rebecca]: is a byproduct of pollination. For

us, it’s the opposite.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Right. So the honeys that are

produced in these hives, where the beekeeping’s

 

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[Lori Taylor]: purpose is pollination, I’m assuming

any of that honey byproduct is what it’s a,

 

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[Lori Taylor]: its purpose is the same purpose

as like sugar. You know, it’s that byproduct

 

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[Lori Taylor]: of honey. It’s 100%

 

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[Rebecca]: Right.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: just going into those little

honey bears, and people are drizzling

 

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[Rebecca]: honey bears

 

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[Lori Taylor]: it on their

 

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[Rebecca]: which

 

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[Lori Taylor]: toast.

 

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[Rebecca]: are ultra

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Mm-hmm.

 

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liquid sugar. It’s got no

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah,

 

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[Rebecca]: more nutrient value to it.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: right, right. Okay, very fascinating.

So let’s talk about, again folks, when you

 

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[Lori Taylor]: visit the TaylorPass website,

TaylorPassHoney.com, and you go to that online

 

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[Lori Taylor]: shop, there are, you at TaylorPass,

not every honey you sell is Manuka honey, UMF

 

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[Rebecca]: Right.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Manuka

 

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[Lori Taylor]: honey. So help folks understand,

You know, the other honeys that you offer,

 

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[Lori Taylor]: on your website, you distinguish

these as floral honey. If there’s any other

 

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[Lori Taylor]: categories that you wanna call

out, but let’s help people understand that

 

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[Lori Taylor]: despite the fact that you are,

you know, you’re beekeeping for honey production

 

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[Lori Taylor]: in New Zealand, that still doesn’t

mean that everything you produce is Manuka

 

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[Lori Taylor]: honey.

 

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[Rebecca]: Correct, absolutely. So look, in

New Zealand we’ve got an amazing environment

 

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[Rebecca]: at Florida Fauna and as a result

our bees get to go and pollinate some huge

 

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[Rebecca]: variety of plants. And so we’ve got

several products in our range which are absolutely

 

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[Rebecca]: incredible. We’ve got our creamed

clover, we’ve got our native flower which is

 

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[Rebecca]: a multi-floral, basically the best

of all the flora in New Zealand. and we’ve

 

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[Rebecca]: got our honeydew. And those products

are the three products we’ve got in the US

 

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floral honeys, which are actually incredible.

 

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[Rebecca]: And when we talk about honey, we

talk about the essence of time and place. It

 

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time and brought back to the hive when we collected

 

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[Rebecca]: it. So our cream clover is a beautiful,

creamy, textured honey. It’s a honey that we

 

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[Rebecca]: cream. So one thing to say about

that is people always ask me, Why do you add

 

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[Rebecca]: cream to your honey? We do not add

cream to our honey. Essentially, it’s a process,

 

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[Rebecca]: and it’s basically over a period

of four to six days. We will stir the vetch

 

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process, is a crystallization the whole way

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Okay,

 

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process, but we will accelerate that process

 

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of time, and it ends up with this beautiful

 

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[Lori Taylor]: Right.

 

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[Rebecca]: And then we’ve got our native flour

which I’ve spoken about as well. Beautiful

 

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what I love this honey. It’s basically a foodie

 

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probably the most in my kitchen.

 

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1. It enhances the flavors of other products.

 

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[Rebecca]: I don’t think my children have had

carrots without honeydew drizzled over the

 

361

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[Rebecca]: top of it

 

362

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[Lori Taylor]: Ah,

 

363

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[Rebecca]: in years. It’s an

 

364

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[Lori Taylor]: yeah.

 

365

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[Rebecca]: incredible honey. Marinades, dressings,

cheese platters. It’s absolutely, it’s a beautiful

 

366

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[Rebecca]: honey.

 

367

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[Lori Taylor]: I love to hear that. What a great

idea, too, and a great vehicle or strategy

 

368

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[Lori Taylor]: to get children to eat more fresh

produce.

 

369

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[Rebecca]: Absolutely.

 

370

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[Lori Taylor]: I love that. So as it relates

to the theme of the mini series that you’re

 

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[Lori Taylor]: part of

 

372

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[Rebecca]: Mm-hmm.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: here, superfoods,

 

374

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[Rebecca]: Yep.

 

375

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[Lori Taylor]: do you, through your professional

background and all that you know about honey,

 

376

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[Lori Taylor]: do you view all honey as a superfood?

 

377

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[Rebecca]: Yes, I think all honey has got health

attributes which are better than… So honey

 

378

00:22:01,387 –> 00:22:05,808

[Rebecca]: for me sits in the sweetener category.

So it is the best sweetener in that category.

 

379

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[Rebecca]: So

 

380

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[Lori Taylor]: Sure.

 

381

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[Rebecca]: I see honey as a superfood and certainly

manuka being the next level of that superfood.

 

382

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[Rebecca]: So,

 

383

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[Lori Taylor]: Sure.

 

384

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[Rebecca]: you know, for me I use hardly any

sugar at all in my house. I wouldn’t say it’s

 

385

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[Rebecca]: evil, you know, it’s got its place,

but certainly it’s a product which has been,

 

386

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[Rebecca]: you know, bleached and further processed.

Where I can, I would rather use… the most

 

387

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[Rebecca]: natural version of that. And that’s

where honey does that job beautifully.

 

388

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[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

389

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[Rebecca]: I reach for the manuka for the health

and wellness properties. So I would say that

 

390

00:22:33,724 –> 00:22:39,591

[Rebecca]: the floral honeys are great for your

daily food, but certainly manuka is health

 

391

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[Rebecca]: and wellness. We talk about it being

tasting a world of good. It’s a natural goodness

 

392

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[Rebecca]: of honey.

 

393

00:22:45,586 –> 00:22:49,408

[Lori Taylor]: I love that. All right, well

let’s dive into some of these superfood claims.

 

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[Lori Taylor]: So I know

 

395

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[Rebecca]: Hmm.

 

396

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[Lori Taylor]: I’m not gonna press you on the

science. We’ve

 

397

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[Rebecca]: Hahaha.

 

398

00:22:52,029 –> 00:22:59,553

[Lori Taylor]: already cleared that. You’re

not in the business of research and there’s

 

399

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[Lori Taylor]: nothing, there’s no part of your

job that would put you in a position to make

 

400

00:23:04,376 –> 00:23:08,418

[Lori Taylor]: health claims, but there is research

out there. And

 

401

00:23:08,042 –> 00:23:08,306

[Rebecca]: Absolutely.

 

402

00:23:09,158 –> 00:23:12,981

[Lori Taylor]: there are certainly plenty of

anecdotal stories that are out there. People

 

403

00:23:13,021 –> 00:23:18,496

[Lori Taylor]: saying like, I use… Manuka

Honey when I felt like I had a cough coming

 

404

00:23:18,597 –> 00:23:24,842

[Lori Taylor]: on and overnight I woke up feeling

A-okay the next day. Countless stories like

 

405

00:23:24,882 –> 00:23:25,542

[Lori Taylor]: that. These are in

 

406

00:23:25,503 –> 00:23:25,671

[Rebecca]: Yeah.

 

407

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[Lori Taylor]: the form of testimonials, both

on your website as well as other online resources.

 

408

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[Lori Taylor]: So in doing our research, we

essentially found five different overarching

 

409

00:23:37,212 –> 00:23:43,837

[Lori Taylor]: things that people tend to agree

1. The research tends to support that Manuka

 

410

00:23:43,877 –> 00:23:52,474

[Lori Taylor]: Honey is a phenomenal superfood

to support natural wound care, digestive health,

 

411

00:23:53,155 –> 00:23:57,877

[Lori Taylor]: skincare, colds, and sore throats.

So those were the five things that were like,

 

412

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[Rebecca]: Mm-hmm.

 

413

00:23:58,138 –> 00:24:03,261

[Lori Taylor]: they came through resounding,

you know, all sorts of testimonials. So anything

 

414

00:24:03,281 –> 00:24:04,401

[Lori Taylor]: you’d like to elaborate on those.

 

415

00:24:05,198 –> 00:24:08,861

[Rebecca]: Certainly. Well, natural wound care,

you’ll find that there’s a lot of hospitals

 

416

00:24:08,881 –> 00:24:14,246

[Rebecca]: that are now using medical-grade

manuka in burn units. So

 

417

00:24:14,187 –> 00:24:14,597

[Lori Taylor]: Really?

 

418

00:24:14,366 –> 00:24:18,710

[Rebecca]: it has definitely got that. And I

would direct you, your listeners, to the UMF

 

419

00:24:18,730 –> 00:24:22,993

[Rebecca]: website. They’ve got a whole other

research loaded on that website. It says umf.co.nz,

 

420

00:24:24,715 –> 00:24:27,357

[Rebecca]: and there’s a whole other research.

But certainly when it comes to wound care,

 

421

00:24:27,778 –> 00:24:31,659

[Rebecca]: I met a doctor for example when I

was at Expo West who said that in their burns

 

422

00:24:31,739 –> 00:24:36,780

[Rebecca]: unit they use Manuka honey. There

are Manuka honey wound gels available and bandages

 

423

00:24:36,820 –> 00:24:41,101

[Rebecca]: and gauzes and things like that.

So certainly when it comes to wound, you think

 

424

00:24:41,141 –> 00:24:46,182

[Rebecca]: of their properties, antibacterial,

antimicrobial, it’s incredible for that and

 

425

00:24:46,242 –> 00:24:52,844

[Rebecca]: also for healing scars. So I’ve had

a lot of people talk to me about that. So yes,

 

426

00:24:52,984 –> 00:24:56,165

[Rebecca]: certainly when it comes to wound

care, but even honey you think as a child,

 

427

00:24:56,185 –> 00:24:59,927

[Rebecca]: you know, I know for how to burn.

my mum would put honey on it. Manuka is just

 

428

00:24:59,988 –> 00:25:03,201

[Rebecca]: the next level of that method.

 

429

00:25:03,918 –> 00:25:08,180

[Lori Taylor]: I love that. And the website

for folks that want to read the research, it’s

 

430

00:25:08,521 –> 00:25:16,646

[Lori Taylor]: umf.org.nz. So, and I’m on it

right now, and there is a ton of information.

 

431

00:25:16,666 –> 00:25:20,889

[Lori Taylor]: I’m glad you brought that up,

Rebecca. So for anyone who wants to view all

 

432

00:25:20,909 –> 00:25:26,253

[Lori Taylor]: the research, we are talking

pages and pages available. And these are research

 

433

00:25:26,273 –> 00:25:30,355

[Lori Taylor]: studies that have been conducted

all around the world, not just out of the country

 

434

00:25:30,396 –> 00:25:31,096

[Lori Taylor]: of New Zealand,

 

435

00:25:31,065 –> 00:25:31,351

[Rebecca]: Absolutely.

 

436

00:25:31,556 –> 00:25:36,431

[Lori Taylor]: because you could, one could

say that would be a bias, you know, if it was

 

437

00:25:36,511 –> 00:25:36,751

[Lori Taylor]: just

 

438

00:25:36,664 –> 00:25:37,030

[Rebecca]: I’m sorry.

 

439

00:25:37,111 –> 00:25:41,932

[Lori Taylor]: a research coming out of New

Zealand to promote this very protected, proud

 

440

00:25:42,012 –> 00:25:47,114

[Lori Taylor]: agricultural product of New Zealand.

So there is research folks from Japan, Germany,

 

441

00:25:47,274 –> 00:25:55,277

[Lori Taylor]: England, and more available on

that UMF website, umf.org.nz. So Rebecca, I

 

442

00:25:55,297 –> 00:25:59,699

[Lori Taylor]: have a story for you. You’re

going to love this story. My son Joe, who is

 

443

00:25:59,859 –> 00:26:03,282

[Lori Taylor]: getting ready to celebrate his

16th birthday, over the summer he had his wisdom

 

444

00:26:03,302 –> 00:26:08,325

[Lori Taylor]: teeth removed. Pretty big surgery

for a teenage, you know, teenagers or anyone

 

445

00:26:08,385 –> 00:26:12,188

[Lori Taylor]: to get the teeth removed and

you’ve got these big

 

446

00:26:11,861 –> 00:26:12,247

[Rebecca]: Absolutely.

 

447

00:26:13,108 –> 00:26:17,291

[Lori Taylor]: incision holes and there’s a

huge risk for dry sockets and you know, he

 

448

00:26:17,311 –> 00:26:21,894

[Lori Taylor]: was really hoping to only be

down and out for just a few days. And he had

 

449

00:26:22,174 –> 00:26:28,958

[Lori Taylor]: one spot in one of the extraction

sites. The wound just wasn’t healing as quickly

 

450

00:26:29,519 –> 00:26:33,560

[Lori Taylor]: as the others. At this point,

he was beyond the soft food. So he’s on to

 

451

00:26:33,660 –> 00:26:38,723

[Lori Taylor]: eating like, you know, semi-solid

or solid foods. And I think one of the reasons

 

452

00:26:38,763 –> 00:26:44,045

[Lori Taylor]: it was slow to heal, there was

some food that got lodged in the incision thing.

 

453

00:26:44,085 –> 00:26:48,907

[Lori Taylor]: And so we like dislodged it with

the syringe thing that the surgeon provided

 

454

00:26:48,967 –> 00:26:53,189

[Lori Taylor]: after the surgery. So we like

used the water syringe and got the food dislodged.

 

455

00:26:54,454 –> 00:26:58,975

[Lori Taylor]: but he was so kind of uncomfortable.

And so I was like, what else can I do? You

 

456

00:26:58,995 –> 00:27:03,136

[Lori Taylor]: know, at this point he’s, I,

you know, he made the choice and we made the

 

457

00:27:03,176 –> 00:27:07,477

[Lori Taylor]: choice. We didn’t want him on

pain pills for multiple days. So he did take

 

458

00:27:07,497 –> 00:27:11,599

[Lori Taylor]: those for like one or two days

tops and then got off the pain pills, was doing

 

459

00:27:11,659 –> 00:27:22,354

[Lori Taylor]: just the, just some like Advil,

ibuprofen. But when he was, had that one, spot,

 

460

00:27:22,434 –> 00:27:25,535

[Lori Taylor]: he was like, what? You know,

I was really hoping to heal it up quicker.

 

461

00:27:25,775 –> 00:27:29,577

[Lori Taylor]: And it was very far behind the

other source. So I said, well, let’s put Manuka

 

462

00:27:29,597 –> 00:27:35,620

[Lori Taylor]: Honey on it tonight before bed

and see what happens. And so we put it on all

 

463

00:27:35,660 –> 00:27:41,182

[Lori Taylor]: four of the incision sites. But

when he woke up, I am not kidding you, it was

 

464

00:27:41,462 –> 00:27:48,305

[Lori Taylor]: almost closed. He made so much

progress just overnight. And we were using

 

465

00:27:48,505 –> 00:27:54,197

[Lori Taylor]: the. the highest level that the

Taylor Pass has. So it’s the UMF 15

 

466

00:27:53,735 –> 00:27:54,119

[Rebecca]: of things.

 

467

00:27:55,177 –> 00:28:00,301

[Lori Taylor]: plus is what we had in house.

So that’s what I was using. And he was so excited

 

468

00:28:00,341 –> 00:28:04,343

[Lori Taylor]: about it. I mean, and so he,

I’ve got my teenage son’s a big believer in

 

469

00:28:04,383 –> 00:28:09,366

[Lori Taylor]: this now too. But, and that became

part of our regimen and he

 

470

00:28:09,366 –> 00:28:09,614

[Rebecca]: Hmm.

 

471

00:28:09,406 –> 00:28:15,378

[Lori Taylor]: healed up beautifully. He had

absolutely no issues whatsoever. And I was

 

472

00:28:15,438 –> 00:28:18,460

[Lori Taylor]: waiting to tell you the story

until I had you on the podcast. Cause I’m like,

 

473

00:28:18,500 –> 00:28:20,062

[Lori Taylor]: Rebecca’s gonna love this. And

 

474

00:28:20,501 –> 00:28:20,642

[Rebecca]: I

 

475

00:28:20,602 –> 00:28:20,842

[Lori Taylor]: it is

 

476

00:28:20,762 –> 00:28:21,064

[Rebecca]: do.

 

477

00:28:20,982 –> 00:28:28,227

[Lori Taylor]: my recent experience with Manuka

honey as a super food. It definitely has that

 

478

00:28:28,267 –> 00:28:30,949

[Lori Taylor]: healing property. We just used

it in my house a couple of weeks ago.

 

479

00:28:32,206 –> 00:28:35,748

[Rebecca]: No, look, I absolutely love it. And,

you know, your kind of stories, I hear it all

 

480

00:28:35,768 –> 00:28:36,468

[Rebecca]: the time. You know, I

 

481

00:28:36,450 –> 00:28:36,681

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

482

00:28:36,528 –> 00:28:40,170

[Rebecca]: did a whole series of road show and

educational road show just recently when I

 

483

00:28:40,190 –> 00:28:44,872

[Rebecca]: was in the US and stories I hear,

they’re just, it’s just fantastic. You know,

 

484

00:28:44,892 –> 00:28:44,993

[Rebecca]: it

 

485

00:28:45,056 –> 00:28:45,324

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

486

00:28:45,073 –> 00:28:48,254

[Rebecca]: certainly is that worth now. And,

you know, I had one lady tell me that, you

 

487

00:28:48,274 –> 00:28:53,177

[Rebecca]: know, she deals with her daughter’s

acne scars through using Manuka. And because,

 

488

00:28:53,217 –> 00:28:56,058

[Rebecca]: you know, her daughter only wants

natural products. So, you know, it’s a way

 

489

00:28:56,078 –> 00:29:00,101

[Rebecca]: of bringing natural products without

all the extra chemicals and all, and still

 

490

00:29:00,141 –> 00:29:03,091

[Rebecca]: getting that wellness. boost that

 

491

00:29:03,102 –> 00:29:04,623

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah,

 

492

00:29:03,152 –> 00:29:04,895

[Rebecca]: you need. That’s fantastic. I’m delighted.

 

493

00:29:04,723 –> 00:29:08,946

[Lori Taylor]: yeah, I know, I love that. I

knew you’d love the story. Well, okay, so

 

494

00:29:08,994 –> 00:29:09,343

[Rebecca]: I’m sorry.

 

495

00:29:10,127 –> 00:29:14,390

[Lori Taylor]: the opportunities are endless

in terms of how you can apply Manuka honey

 

496

00:29:14,450 –> 00:29:18,934

[Lori Taylor]: as part of your daily wellness

routine or if you’re in a situation like what

 

497

00:29:18,974 –> 00:29:22,756

[Lori Taylor]: we recently had here in my home,

you can use it for acute care purposes as well.

 

498

00:29:23,997 –> 00:29:28,281

[Lori Taylor]: But let’s talk about the farm

because y’all recently went through B Corp

 

499

00:29:28,301 –> 00:29:29,914

[Lori Taylor]: certification. There are

 

500

00:29:29,898 –> 00:29:30,103

[Rebecca]: Yes.

 

501

00:29:29,954 –> 00:29:34,636

[Lori Taylor]: some beautiful testimonials on

your website as it relates to your sustainability

 

502

00:29:34,676 –> 00:29:41,220

[Lori Taylor]: practices, other certifications

that you have received beyond B Corp. But let’s

 

503

00:29:41,260 –> 00:29:43,001

[Lori Taylor]: talk about that. And also for

folks

 

504

00:29:43,015 –> 00:29:43,077

[Rebecca]: and

 

505

00:29:43,021 –> 00:29:43,161

[Lori Taylor]: that

 

506

00:29:43,098 –> 00:29:43,181

[Rebecca]: then

 

507

00:29:43,201 –> 00:29:43,381

[Lori Taylor]: aren’t

 

508

00:29:43,202 –> 00:29:43,264

[Rebecca]: you

 

509

00:29:43,421 –> 00:29:51,105

[Lori Taylor]: aware, that when it comes to

bee farming or beekeeping, I think the right

 

510

00:29:51,165 –> 00:29:54,627

[Lori Taylor]: agricultural term, Rebecca, correct

me if I’m wrong, but I think the right term

 

511

00:29:54,667 –> 00:29:56,228

[Lori Taylor]: is apiary.

 

512

00:29:56,466 –> 00:29:57,426

[Rebecca]: apiary, that’s right.

 

513

00:29:57,429 –> 00:29:57,889

[Lori Taylor]: Apary,

 

514

00:29:57,486 –> 00:29:58,227

[Rebecca]: So

 

515

00:29:58,249 –> 00:29:58,469

[Lori Taylor]: okay.

 

516

00:29:59,728 –> 00:30:03,390

[Rebecca]: we refer to our farms as you call

them as the apiary. So

 

517

00:30:03,316 –> 00:30:03,501

[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

 

518

00:30:03,450 –> 00:30:07,813

[Rebecca]: we’ve actually got two in New Zealand.

We’ve got so New Zealand is two islands, North

 

519

00:30:07,933 –> 00:30:12,076

[Rebecca]: Island, South Island, and our pives

are all in the South Island. So in the top

 

520

00:30:12,116 –> 00:30:16,319

[Rebecca]: of the South Island and in an area

called Marlborough. and then in Wanaka, which

 

521

00:30:16,359 –> 00:30:20,502

[Rebecca]: is just outside Queenstown, in the

middle part of the South Island. And the reason

 

522

00:30:20,543 –> 00:30:23,986

[Rebecca]: we do that is because, you know,

we are an export company and, you know, we

 

523

00:30:24,026 –> 00:30:28,490

[Rebecca]: need to make sure that we produce

enough honey to support all our export markets.

 

524

00:30:28,930 –> 00:30:32,613

[Rebecca]: And Manuka only flowers for four

to six weeks every year.

 

525

00:30:32,919 –> 00:30:33,186

[Lori Taylor]: Wow.

 

526

00:30:33,014 –> 00:30:37,690

[Rebecca]: So if there was a huge storm that

came through and blew off the flowers, we wouldn’t

 

527

00:30:37,730 –> 00:30:41,273

[Rebecca]: be able to produce enough manuka

that season to support our markets. So we’ve

 

528

00:30:41,353 –> 00:30:45,456

[Rebecca]: actually got two sites, and that

just means that geographically we are protected

 

529

00:30:45,616 –> 00:30:46,277

[Rebecca]: in doing that.

 

530

00:30:46,562 –> 00:30:46,766

[Lori Taylor]: sure.

 

531

00:30:46,637 –> 00:30:50,821

[Rebecca]: But it’s, oh look, manuka is, I know

I’ve touched on this earlier, people often

 

532

00:30:50,841 –> 00:30:54,724

[Rebecca]: say to me, why is it so expensive?

And there’s many factors, one of which is,

 

533

00:30:54,744 –> 00:30:58,087

[Rebecca]: it only produces once a year for

that four to six weeks,

 

534

00:30:58,070 –> 00:30:58,704

[Lori Taylor]: Four weeks,

 

535

00:30:58,487 –> 00:30:59,648

[Rebecca]: and the compliance,

 

536

00:30:58,827 –> 00:30:59,031

[Lori Taylor]: yeah.

 

537

00:30:59,928 –> 00:31:05,693

[Rebecca]: yeah, and then the compliance, the

testing that we regimented, we have to go through

 

538

00:31:06,306 –> 00:31:13,550

[Rebecca]: produce and then export under a UMF

MPI compliant label, our Manuka, the very best

 

539

00:31:13,590 –> 00:31:18,493

[Rebecca]: of Manuka, is also very expensive.

But the other thing is Manuka itself is often

 

540

00:31:18,533 –> 00:31:23,816

[Rebecca]: found in very, very remote locations.

So, you know, to get there, it’s not as straightforward.

 

541

00:31:23,917 –> 00:31:27,439

[Rebecca]: So it’s not as though you can have

it in a farm on a paddock just off the side

 

542

00:31:27,479 –> 00:31:31,641

[Rebecca]: of your main building. Often our

teams are traveling hours to get to our sites.

 

543

00:31:32,322 –> 00:31:36,687

[Lori Taylor]: I love that. Well, and I also

think something we didn’t call out, I don’t

 

544

00:31:36,727 –> 00:31:42,333

[Lori Taylor]: think we distinctly called it

out, but it is expensive, but it doesn’t expire.

 

545

00:31:43,842 –> 00:31:48,525

[Rebecca]: Correct. So essentially honey lasts

forever. I mean, we found honey at the tomb

 

546

00:31:48,585 –> 00:31:53,268

[Rebecca]: of pharaohs and it was still edible.

So it lasts forever. But, so I would say that

 

547

00:31:53,288 –> 00:31:56,630

[Rebecca]: for all our florals as well, they

will last for a long, long time,

 

548

00:31:56,671 –> 00:31:56,875

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

549

00:31:56,870 –> 00:32:01,574

[Rebecca]: but there are regulations around

labeling. So we do have to put a shelf life

 

550

00:32:01,714 –> 00:32:07,498

[Rebecca]: on them for food products. But when

it comes to manuka, the potency measure will

 

551

00:32:07,538 –> 00:32:12,701

[Rebecca]: go up and then dip. So we pack, and

that’s another thing about UMF. When you buy

 

552

00:32:12,841 –> 00:32:17,455

[Rebecca]: UMF, product, you are guaranteed

it on the last day of your shelf life. So we

 

553

00:32:17,495 –> 00:32:22,501

[Rebecca]: pack ours to a four year shelf life.

On that last day, you still have that measure

 

554

00:32:22,862 –> 00:32:25,545

[Rebecca]: of potency, which is declared on

the front of the jar.

 

555

00:32:25,810 –> 00:32:26,092

[Lori Taylor]: Okay.

 

556

00:32:25,966 –> 00:32:27,307

[Rebecca]: So that is really important.

 

557

00:32:27,381 –> 00:32:27,945

[Lori Taylor]: That’s really

 

558

00:32:27,848 –> 00:32:27,968

[Rebecca]: But

 

559

00:32:27,986 –> 00:32:28,389

[Lori Taylor]: important.

 

560

00:32:28,008 –> 00:32:30,571

[Rebecca]: yeah, so UMF does not expire, but

 

561

00:32:30,478 –> 00:32:32,484

[Lori Taylor]: Mm-hmm.

 

562

00:32:30,592 –> 00:32:32,093

[Rebecca]: the potency measure will drop off.

 

563

00:32:32,524 –> 00:32:35,835

[Lori Taylor]: Got it, okay. Yeah, I’m so glad

we talked about that because that’s really

 

564

00:32:35,875 –> 00:32:36,317

[Lori Taylor]: important.

 

565

00:32:37,112 –> 00:32:41,543

[Rebecca]: Absolutely. So there’s a lot of jobs

with just, you know, MGO label or things like

 

566

00:32:41,483 –> 00:32:41,667

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

567

00:32:41,563 –> 00:32:45,352

[Rebecca]: that. That is at the time of flicking.

You’re not guaranteed to have that on the last

 

568

00:32:45,392 –> 00:32:45,993

[Rebecca]: day of shelf life.

 

569

00:32:46,406 –> 00:32:52,591

[Lori Taylor]: Interesting. Okay. So obviously

B Corp Journey, we are also B Corp at the Produce

 

570

00:32:52,611 –> 00:32:54,192

[Lori Taylor]: Moms. I remember when we first

met,

 

571

00:32:54,090 –> 00:32:54,271

[Rebecca]: That’s

 

572

00:32:54,212 –> 00:32:54,272

[Lori Taylor]: you

 

573

00:32:54,332 –> 00:32:54,594

[Rebecca]: right.

 

574

00:32:54,393 –> 00:33:00,998

[Lori Taylor]: were just anticipating the certification.

It was so close. It’s a tough process, but

 

575

00:33:01,038 –> 00:33:04,822

[Lori Taylor]: it’s meant to be a tough process.

It’s meant to be something that’s reserved

 

576

00:33:04,842 –> 00:33:10,442

[Lori Taylor]: for folks that are, you know,

walking the talk, so to say. Um, anything you’d

 

577

00:33:10,462 –> 00:33:14,524

[Lori Taylor]: like to share about your B Corp

certification or any of the other distinctions

 

578

00:33:14,544 –> 00:33:16,585

[Lori Taylor]: and awards you want to call it.

I know that there’s some from the

 

579

00:33:16,593 –> 00:33:16,655

[Rebecca]: No,

 

580

00:33:16,605 –> 00:33:17,065

[Lori Taylor]: culinary

 

581

00:33:16,676 –> 00:33:16,778

[Rebecca]: no.

 

582

00:33:17,145 –> 00:33:21,147

[Lori Taylor]: arts, for instance, that are

based on the flavor. Uh, let’s, let’s help

 

583

00:33:21,187 –> 00:33:24,969

[Lori Taylor]: people understand how there’s,

you know, similar to how you’re saying we have

 

584

00:33:25,069 –> 00:33:27,490

[Lori Taylor]: all of our honeys and then we

have Manuka honey. Well, it’s kind of like

 

585

00:33:27,510 –> 00:33:31,252

[Lori Taylor]: we have all these Manuka honeys

and then we have Taylor pass honey. Let’s talk

 

586

00:33:31,272 –> 00:33:33,713

[Lori Taylor]: about why as a brand you all

lead.

 

587

00:33:34,642 –> 00:33:38,843

[Rebecca]: Absolutely. Well, first of all, we’re

vertically integrated. So we are the beekeeper.

 

588

00:33:38,561 –> 00:33:38,729

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

589

00:33:39,223 –> 00:33:43,844

[Rebecca]: So, you know, we manage the entire

process from the hive through to the table.

 

590

00:33:43,904 –> 00:33:48,685

[Rebecca]: And that’s really important because

a lot of Manuka honey is bought in bulk and

 

591

00:33:48,785 –> 00:33:52,446

[Rebecca]: packed, put on label and sent to

market. Whereas with us, when you buy from

 

592

00:33:52,506 –> 00:33:56,348

[Rebecca]: Taylor Pass Honey, you buy from the

beekeeper. And I often say that, you know,

 

593

00:33:56,388 –> 00:34:00,889

[Rebecca]: beekeeping is actually an art. You

know, I go out of our beekeepers and I’m honestly

 

594

00:34:00,909 –> 00:34:02,749

[Rebecca]: in awe of them. You know, they will

talk about the

 

595

00:34:02,624 –> 00:34:02,750

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah.

 

596

00:34:02,809 –> 00:34:07,037

[Rebecca]: fact that They know when something

is going to flower, they’re watching the environment,

 

597

00:34:07,057 –> 00:34:12,382

[Rebecca]: they’re so in tune and in sync with

nature. It is quite incredible. But I think

 

598

00:34:12,463 –> 00:34:17,568

[Rebecca]: that is what makes our honey so special.

They know when to take the boxes off. They

 

599

00:34:17,628 –> 00:34:21,331

[Rebecca]: know when to collect the honey. And

I think that is really, really important. And

 

600

00:34:21,351 –> 00:34:25,275

[Rebecca]: then we’ve got a state of the art

facility when it comes to our packing. So we

 

601

00:34:25,376 –> 00:34:29,802

[Rebecca]: really do not cut corners. And that

is why, you know, when we started looking at

 

602

00:34:30,103 –> 00:34:35,145

[Rebecca]: what was the next thing, sustainability

is something that is at the core of everything

 

603

00:34:35,165 –> 00:34:39,546

[Rebecca]: we do from beekeeping, especially,

but the whole way through to business. So when

 

604

00:34:39,586 –> 00:34:42,988

[Rebecca]: we started looking into BeeCorp,

it just made sense. But to your

 

605

00:34:42,954 –> 00:34:43,197

[Lori Taylor]: Right.

 

606

00:34:43,048 –> 00:34:48,750

[Rebecca]: point, it’s not easy. It does take

a while and it needs to, because that’s how

 

607

00:34:48,770 –> 00:34:52,532

[Rebecca]: you differentiate, you know, from

brands that are not necessarily doing things.

 

608

00:34:54,072 –> 00:34:56,733

[Rebecca]: Not I wouldn’t say in the right way,

but it’s the right way for them. But for us.

 

609

00:34:57,146 –> 00:34:59,287

[Rebecca]: It was all about doing the right

thing long

 

610

00:34:59,255 –> 00:34:59,423

[Lori Taylor]: Yep.

 

611

00:34:59,327 –> 00:35:04,872

[Rebecca]: term. And as you know, the pillars

of B Corp, it’s all about business for good

 

612

00:35:05,052 –> 00:35:06,913

[Rebecca]: and it’s about doing better for the

future.

 

613

00:35:07,486 –> 00:35:12,491

[Lori Taylor]: Yeah, I love that. Well, Rebecca,

this has just been one of the most amazing

 

614

00:35:12,551 –> 00:35:18,297

[Lori Taylor]: discussions I’ve learned so much.

And I’m always, every time that you and I have

 

615

00:35:18,317 –> 00:35:22,521

[Lori Taylor]: a chance to connect, I’m always

inspired. So thank you for your time and for

 

616

00:35:22,561 –> 00:35:28,947

[Lori Taylor]: being part of this series. It

is not easy, folks, to find a viable time to

 

617

00:35:28,988 –> 00:35:35,284

[Lori Taylor]: record an episode when One microphone

is located in New Zealand and the other one

 

618

00:35:35,344 –> 00:35:40,247

[Lori Taylor]: is located in Indianapolis, Indiana.

We had a heck of a time finding a feasible

 

619

00:35:40,287 –> 00:35:44,269

[Lori Taylor]: time that worked for us both.

So I thank you for your patience with the scheduling

 

620

00:35:44,289 –> 00:35:48,692

[Lori Taylor]: for today’s episode and your

willingness to connect at this time of day

 

621

00:35:48,712 –> 00:35:53,675

[Lori Taylor]: for you. But it’s really been

a pleasure having you on. And I wanna remind

 

622

00:35:53,715 –> 00:35:58,642

[Lori Taylor]: folks, you can visit TaylorPassHoney.com

to learn more. And Rebecca, we’re going to

 

623

00:35:58,682 –> 00:36:03,165

[Lori Taylor]: have to have you all back onto

the show or do some more work together to tell

 

624

00:36:03,205 –> 00:36:05,827

[Lori Taylor]: the story of the beekeeping and

the fact that

 

625

00:36:05,876 –> 00:36:05,981

[Rebecca]: No.

 

626

00:36:05,907 –> 00:36:12,011

[Lori Taylor]: you guys are that vertically

integrated company. Tell that agricultural

 

627

00:36:12,091 –> 00:36:13,592

[Lori Taylor]: story of beekeeping

 

628

00:36:13,140 –> 00:36:13,181

[Rebecca]: Um.

 

629

00:36:14,192 –> 00:36:19,175

[Lori Taylor]: and beekeeping for honey, as

opposed to beekeeping for pollination, the

 

630

00:36:19,215 –> 00:36:24,146

[Lori Taylor]: differentiator and that. I learned

a lot today. Thank you for being part of this.

 

631

00:36:24,186 –> 00:36:27,488

[Lori Taylor]: Thank you for producing one of

my favorite products that I love to have

 

632

00:36:27,413 –> 00:36:27,455

[Rebecca]: Oh.

 

633

00:36:27,568 –> 00:36:32,390

[Lori Taylor]: in my home. I’m so glad that

I found your brand. I’m so glad that you and

 

634

00:36:32,470 –> 00:36:36,852

[Lori Taylor]: I met. And thanks again for being

part of this. You get the closing remarks and

 

635

00:36:37,832 –> 00:36:40,293

[Lori Taylor]: anything that you’d like to say

as we sign off today’s show.

 

636

00:36:41,654 –> 00:36:45,054

[Rebecca]: Thank you, Laura. It’s been my pleasure.

And look, I would love to do this again with

 

637

00:36:45,094 –> 00:36:49,196

[Rebecca]: you. I feel I’ve probably put a lot

of information to a small period of time. I

 

638

00:36:49,236 –> 00:36:53,457

[Rebecca]: could talk about this for hours.

It’s just an incredible product. And, you know,

 

639

00:36:53,477 –> 00:36:56,998

[Rebecca]: I really believe in our brand. So

thank you for the opportunity. And for anyone

 

640

00:36:57,178 –> 00:37:00,719

[Rebecca]: who’s got any questions, feels free

to reach out to me directly. I’m always here.

 

641

00:37:00,759 –> 00:37:05,060

[Rebecca]: I mean, very much the educational

piece of this is very much a mission for me.

 

642

00:37:05,800 –> 00:37:09,941

[Rebecca]: And you’ll find us on our website.

We’ve got a, you know, a store locator on there

 

643

00:37:09,961 –> 00:37:13,237

[Rebecca]: if you want to find your local store.

And yeah, I look forward to coming back and

 

644

00:37:13,257 –> 00:37:14,881

[Rebecca]: Laurie, thank you again, it was a

pleasure.

 

645

00:37:15,470 –> 00:37:19,796

[Lori Taylor]: Thank you. All right, well that’s

a wrap. Let me stop the recording. Great job,

 

646

00:37:19,836 –> 00:37:20,257

[Lori Taylor]: Rebecca.

 

647

00:37:21,209 –> 00:37:21,695

[Rebecca]: Thank you.